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halleybird wrote:

yay="good for you!" yea= "yes, I agree." I can't stand to see "Yay or nay."




I totally do yay or nay, actually. But I mean 'yay' as in 'yay, i love it.' I have a weird thing about not feeling like everyone is on the same page with yeah and yea, so I avoid both.

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Spelling mistakes drive me crazy, but I hate when people attempt to correct other people and also are wrong.

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halleybird wrote:



yay="good for you!" yea= "yes, I agree." I can't stand to see "Yay or nay."






I totally do yay or nay, actually. But I mean 'yay' as in 'yay, i love it.' I have a weird thing about not feeling like everyone is on the same page with yeah and yea, so I avoid both.

I never thought of it that way. Thanks!

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That's my reasoning for using "yay or nay" as well poptart!


poptart wrote:






halleybird wrote:



yay="good for you!" yea= "yes, I agree." I can't stand to see "Yay or nay."






I totally do yay or nay, actually. But I mean 'yay' as in 'yay, i love it.' I have a weird thing about not feeling like everyone is on the same page with yeah and yea, so I avoid both.



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good lord, I am also a member of the grammar police. I just pointed out a grammatical error on my friend's myspace last week (the misuse of your and you're) and I felt like such an English nerd. She replied by writing, "your funny." aaaahhhhh!!!

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shopgirl wrote:

Spelling mistakes drive me crazy, but I hate when people attempt to correct other people and also are wrong.


LOL!


a pet peeve of mine is spelling definitely with an 'a.'



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I notice grammar mistakes too, and I do get so irritated when I can tell that it's not just a typo. 


When it could be a typo, I usually don't judge, because I get rushed too and often key the wrong letters.


However, I am also irritated by grammar police who seem to be looking for fights on internet message boards and chat rooms.  If only grammar police were as concerned about manners too.  I haven't witnessed any of that here, but I do remember a few grammar "beyotchs" on the old Lucky Mag forum.  I think good grammar is important in official communication, but in dumb little message boards, casual emails, stuff like that, it's not important.  Let it slide, man.



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Count me in on the grammar police bandwagon.


Over the weekend we were playing a heated game of Trivial Pursuit and I kept pointing out grammatical errors on the cards. I really think that should make me the automatic winner, not the lousy third place I ended up with. (But seriously - it's not fair my boyfriend got the stupid Madonna questions and I got golf questions over and over.)



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jaymiek wrote:

good lord, I am also a member of the grammar police. I just pointed out a grammatical error on my friend's myspace last week (the misuse of your and you're) and I felt like such an English nerd. She replied by writing, "your funny." aaaahhhhh!!!

Hee! That is funny.

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You girls are making me self conscious.

I feel like I should go back and check my old posts for mistakes!

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kahluamilk wrote:


My my.. Wendy's!!! How obvious is that mistake?!


It's Wendy's restaurant, so I think that is correct.  Unless you were talking about something else that I just completely missed.

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JoceyBaby23 wrote:

You girls are making me self conscious.

I feel like I should go back and check my old posts for mistakes!

Don't worry! I am sure there are tons of mistakes in my posts. I don't pay very close attention when I am talking or posting, so I only pick on people for formal or public writing.

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I'm going to post the article attached to this in "general chat." After reading this grammar post earlier today I HAD to include this here.


The author of the fab article about teen movies is the founder of SPOGG, the Society for the Promotion of Good Grammar.


WHO KNEW!?


 


I was cracking up thinking of this thread.



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Hey, I just took an AMAZING upper level Linguistics course and the basic theme of it was that anyone can speak however they want as long as it's grammatical to them.  Half the things that we think are incorrect are not. If you trace back our language to Latin, many things (such as double negatives) are simply fine to use and have no real linguistic proof for being wrong.  That is, you cannot trace them back to being ungrammatical. Just speaking as a former grammar policewoman...I have been reformed thanks to Dr. Sealy

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jen wrote:

Hey, I just took an AMAZING upper level Linguistics course and the basic theme of it was that anyone can speak however they want as long as it's grammatical to them.  Half the things that we think are incorrect are not. If you trace back our language to Latin, many things (such as double negatives) are simply fine to use and have no real linguistic proof for being wrong.  That is, you cannot trace them back to being ungrammatical. Just speaking as a former grammar policewoman...I have been reformed thanks to Dr. Sealy


But because our society and the educated people who speak our language say something is wrong, doesn't that make it wrong? Grammar rules change over time and civilizations. Even Latin rules morphed over time. You could trace Latin back to where it came from, but that doesn't mean that just because something wasn't wrong in a primitive language that it's not wrong in Latin.

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You're right. It is society that says whats wrong and right. I just thought it was interesting that when the class said things that we thought were wrong, our Prof. broke it down using the basis of much of language today, Latin, and the science of language to show us there is no PROOF to say that certain things are wrong.

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jen wrote:

You're right. It is society that says whats wrong and right. I just thought it was interesting that when the class said things that we thought were wrong, our Prof. broke it down using the basis of much of language today, Latin, and the science of language to show us there is no PROOF to say that certain things are wrong.


Yes, but there are journalistic and writing standards that are set today as what is correct and incorrect (MLA, APA, etc). Language does evolve over time and new words are created and added to the dictionary. MLA and APA style books are published on an annual basis and updated as needed. Different languages also have different rules. For example in Spanish, the adjective comes after the noun, casa rosa. Literally translated means 'house pink.' However, that's not correct in standard American English where the adjective comes before the noun. In Spanish you also don't have to use the pronoun when a verb is used-- we say 'I think,' which would translate in Spanish as 'Comprendo'- the 'yo' (I) is optional.


I guarantee that if I had turned in a paper with double negatives and other errors and cited that I was using Latin rules from centuries ago, I would not have received a very good grade. Your class does sound interesting, though.



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halleybird wrote:


-still on that note, yay="good for you!" yea= "yes, I agree." I can't stand to see "Yay or nay."




halleybird... I thought we agreed that "yea" is the only proper spelling...


I can't seem to find "yay" in the dictionary...



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D wrote:


halleybird wrote:


-still on that note, yay="good for you!" yea= "yes, I agree." I can't stand to see "Yay or nay."




halleybird... I thought we agreed that "yea" is the only proper spelling...


I can't seem to find "yay" in the dictionary...





Did we? I know we forswore to never create a "yay or nay" post. Anyway, here you go:  link . Yay is an interjection and yea is an adverb.



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halleybird wrote:


D wrote:


halleybird wrote:


-still on that note, yay="good for you!" yea= "yes, I agree." I can't stand to see "Yay or nay."




halleybird... I thought we agreed that "yea" is the only proper spelling...


I can't seem to find "yay" in the dictionary...






Did we? I know we forswore to never create a "yay or nay" post. Anyway, here you go:  link . Yay is an interjection and yea is an adverb.




ummm... where are you getting that "yea" is only an adverb? I only see that "yay" is an alteration of "yea"


yay (y)  Pronunciation Key  Audio pronunciation of "yay" [P]
interj.

Used as an exclamation of pleasure, approval, elation, or victory.

[Alteration of yea.]

merriam webster:


yea3 entries found for yea.

Main Entry: 1yea
Pronunciation: 'yA
Function: adverb
Etymology: Middle English ye, ya, from Old English gEa; akin to Old High German jA yes
1 : YES -- used in oral voting
2 : more than this : not only so but -- used to introduce a more explicit or emphatic phrase <yet the impression, yea the evidence, is inescapable -- J. G. Harrison>


Main Entry: 2yea
Function: noun
1 : AFFIRMATION, ASSENT
2 a : an affirmative vote b : a person casting a yea vote


Main Entry: yea-say·er
Pronunciation: 'yA-"sA-&r, -"ser
Function: noun
1 : one whose attitude is that of confident affirmation
2 : YES-MAN


ETA: halleybird - nevermind - we've gone over this before...


http://stylethread.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=44784&p=3&topicID=6117674&commentPage=1



-- Edited by D at 19:21, 2006-08-31

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