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valenciana · Dooney & Bourke

RE: Worst. Oscars. Ever.

Dizzy · Marc Jacobs

Wow. That Ann Coulter article is so nasty! On the other side, Maureen Dowd can be pretty caustic too, but at least she's funny - this was as subtle as a fire alarm, and about as shrill, too.

Oh, and I thought Brokeback Mountain was incredible, but I haven't seen any of the other movies.

NCshopper · Hermes

Dizzy wrote:

Wow. That Ann Coulter article is so nasty! On the other side, Maureen Dowd can be pretty caustic too, but at least she's funny - this was as subtle as a fire alarm, and about as shrill, too. Oh, and I thought Brokeback Mountain was incredible, but I haven't seen any of the other movies.

Oh. My. God. Did I really just read her say that "Jew athletes at Munich had it coming"??????? Are you freaking kidding me?!?!?!!?!?!?!?! How can anyone say that?

Ugh. People like her make me sick.

sephorablue · Marc Jacobs

relrel wrote:

i am so freaking glad that crash won and not brokeback mountain. i would have been happy with any other the others winning as long as it wasn't brokeback mountain. while i haven't seen this movie so really should just keep my mouth shut, i have no desire to see this movie. none at all. partly because i can't stand stupid overhyped crap (whether it be music, movie, or whatever) and go out of my way to not give in to hype and partly because i feel that this was a love story and i hate love stories, no matter who is involved. (warning...completely illogical statement coming!) i also have a problem with the movie because it's about two gay men and it seems to me that this movie got so much hype because it was about two gay men. so freaking what? if this same movie was done with a man and a woman it would star meg ryan and tom hanks, and in no way would that be oscar worthy. while the same can be said for crash, it's was about rasicism, so freaking what? i just think that rasicism is way more interesting than gay men and a love affair. in no way is this a homophobic statement, it's actually the complete opposite. i just don't get the big deal about two men having a love affair. it's sorta boring to me, blah blah blah, boy meets boy, blah blah blah, boy can't spend life with boy, blah blah blah, boy meets boy again. now a story about how racism is horribly insidous and is everywhere, even when you don't think you are being rasict? a story so completely fantastically acted, directed, produced that i can't think straight after seeing the movie? now that deserves to win. -- Edited by relrel at 15:39, 2006-03-06

how can you say stuff like this while admitting you haven't seen the movie? If you don't have any idea what you're talking about, what's the point in saying it? If you'd actually seen it, you might get what the "big deal" is... when I saw it I was astonished to discover that, for once, all the hype was actually deserved. It's a superb movie.

And my understanding of the hype surrounding it was not so much that it was about two gay men, but that it portrayed a homosexual relationship with incredible dignity and respect and honesty and compassion, something that is otherwise missing in our culture.

As for "boy meets boy, boy can't be with boy," etc, what you're referring to is homophobia--the men can't be together because they're afraid they'll be murdered because of who they are--so how can you say that's a less important topic than racism? One form of discrimination vs. another--I don't see what the difference is.

I'm sure Crash was excellent also, but I can't make any statements about Crash because I didn't see it.

atlgirl · Gucci

Jew athletes at Munich had it coming

Um...not to defend Ann Coulter, because I don't, but she said that was her summary of the plot of the movie

I hardly think that was Spielberg's intent (though I have not seen Munich, so don't really know) but she did say that was her plot summary - from someone who admits earlier in the article that she hasn't seen any of the movies in question.

So take her comments for what they're worth (IMO, not much), but let's at least be clear about whether or not she stated that as a personal belief, in this particular article.

NCshopper · Hermes

^^^ True. That's for pointing that out. I think in my rage I just assumed that's what she thought. Although I've seen the movie and I'm not sure how she arrived at the conclusion that that was what the movie was about. But then again she thought Brokeback Mountain was just "gay" so I'm not going to really dwell on her opinions and how she arrives at them.

sfcaligirl · Dooney & Bourke

sephorablue wrote:

If you'd actually seen it, you might get what the "big deal" is... when I saw it I was astonished to discover that, for once, all the hype was actually deserved. It's a superb movie.
And my understanding of the hype surrounding it was not so much that it was about two gay men, but that it portrayed a homosexual relationship with incredible dignity and respect and honesty and compassion, something that is otherwise missing in our culture.
As for "boy meets boy, boy can't be with boy," etc, what you're referring to is homophobia--the men can't be together because they're afraid they'll be murdered because of who they are--so how can you say that's a less important topic than racism? One form of discrimination vs. another--I don't see what the difference is.

i completely agree. brokeback mountain was an incredible film. i've also seen crash, and while i thought the acting was brilliant and the film itself was thought-provoking, i didn't think it deserved best picture. i really thought it was brokeback mountain's year. it would have sent a great message if it had won. the film sparked a lot of dialogue about issues surrounding homophobia and the fact that it was embraced by such a large audience is really a testament to the beautiful love story captured on film. it wasn't just hype.

scarlett · Marc Jacobs

sephorablue wrote:

relrel wrote:
i am so freaking glad that crash won and not brokeback mountain. i would have been happy with any other the others winning as long as it wasn't brokeback mountain. while i haven't seen this movie so really should just keep my mouth shut, i have no desire to see this movie. none at all. partly because i can't stand stupid overhyped crap (whether it be music, movie, or whatever) and go out of my way to not give in to hype and partly because i feel that this was a love story and i hate love stories, no matter who is involved. (warning...completely illogical statement coming!) i also have a problem with the movie because it's about two gay men and it seems to me that this movie got so much hype because it was about two gay men. so freaking what? if this same movie was done with a man and a woman it would star meg ryan and tom hanks, and in no way would that be oscar worthy. while the same can be said for crash, it's was about rasicism, so freaking what? i just think that rasicism is way more interesting than gay men and a love affair. in no way is this a homophobic statement, it's actually the complete opposite. i just don't get the big deal about two men having a love affair. it's sorta boring to me, blah blah blah, boy meets boy, blah blah blah, boy can't spend life with boy, blah blah blah, boy meets boy again. now a story about how racism is horribly insidous and is everywhere, even when you don't think you are being rasict? a story so completely fantastically acted, directed, produced that i can't think straight after seeing the movie? now that deserves to win. -- Edited by relrel at 15:39, 2006-03-06

how can you say stuff like this while admitting you haven't seen the movie? If you don't have any idea what you're talking about, what's the point in saying it? If you'd actually seen it, you might get what the "big deal" is... when I saw it I was astonished to discover that, for once, all the hype was actually deserved. It's a superb movie.
And my understanding of the hype surrounding it was not so much that it was about two gay men, but that it portrayed a homosexual relationship with incredible dignity and respect and honesty and compassion, something that is otherwise missing in our culture.
As for "boy meets boy, boy can't be with boy," etc, what you're referring to is homophobia--the men can't be together because they're afraid they'll be murdered because of who they are--so how can you say that's a less important topic than racism? One form of discrimination vs. another--I don't see what the difference is.
I'm sure Crash was excellent also, but I can't make any statements about Crash because I didn't see it.

I completely agree. I haven't seen Crash yet either so I can't comment on it. Even though Brokeback wasn't my pick for best picture, it was still one of the best movies of the year. Part of the reason it got so much attention is for the reasons Sephorablue mentions above: it portrays this love relationship with diginity, respect, and honesty, which we sorely need. Crash, from what I understand, is concerned with racism, while Brokeback is concerned with another form of discrimination. In that they are completely similar.

One reason I love movies is they put you in the shoes of another person and allow you to see life from their point of view. When done well, movies build our empathy, compassion, and understanding for others. And the more compassion we have for others, the better of we and society as a whole will be.