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Gucci

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Is this true? I was reading an article in our local paper discussing the difference between Canadians and Americans and it said that you don't have butter tarts in the States? Tell me it isn't so! How do you live without butter tarts?


http://www.donogh.com/cooking/comfortd/tarts.shtml


 


ETA: Here is the entire article. It is actually more about finding words for the Canadian Oxford dictionary.


Speak English?: Chances are, you actually speak Canadian. The words butter tart, poutine and Cheezies are virtually unknown outside our country






Bruce Deachman

CanWest News Service



Friday, November 11, 2005


 






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In northern Ontario, you won't find many cottages. Up there, they call them camps. And you'll relax at neither in Alberta, where we go to the cabin for the weekend.


Yet there are, according to Katherine Barber, at least 2,000 occasions on which Canadians put their regional differences aside, and use words and expressions that folks living in the rest of the world just wouldn't understand.


"Canadians are actually quite unaware of how distinctive their language is, because the words that are so distinctly Canadian seem so ordinary to us," says Barber. "It never occurs to us that other people don't use them."


As editor-in-chief of the Canadian Oxford Dictionary, which released its second edition last year, Barber is in a unique position to witness the ebb and flow of a language that too many Canadians believe to be simply a mix of American words and British spelling.


"We have over 2,000 words that are unique to Canada in the Canadian Oxford Dictionary," she says.


"The thing that I find interesting about them is that they're so ordinary. Words like butter tart. There are so many Canadians who don't realize that butter tarts are unique to Canada. Butter tarts, poutine. There are all sorts of foods that are unique to Canada."


Barber points to words such as eavestrough, gravol and cheezies, the latter pair the generic forms of trademarked product names, as examples of words we consider common everywhere, but which are actually virtually unknown outside Canada.


Barber recently gave a speech about Canadian vocabulary, titled Bachelor for Rent: The Things You Never Suspected About Canadian English.


"That riffs on the fact bachelor, to mean a studio apartment, is only used in Canada," she says. "So other English-speakers would be perplexed if they saw signs reading 'Bachelor for Rent' all over the place.


"There are all sorts of things like that that make Canadian English quite distinctive," she adds. "My favourite word is shit disturber. That was a big surprise to learn it's Canadian. It seems unlike our national temperament, so it's a rather intriguing Canadian word. The Britons and the Americans actually call it a shit stirrer, so they have the same notion; they just call it something different."


In many cases, it's the meaning of the word, and not the word itself, that is distinctly Canadian. Collector, when referring to highway collector lanes, is uniquely Canadian.


Before compiling the first edition of the Canadian


Oxford Dictionary, a process that took from 1992 to '98, Barber worked at the University of Ottawa, assembling the as-yet-unpublished Canadian Bilingual Dictionary, a joint effort of the University of Ottawa, University of Montreal and Laval University. She also taught at Ottawa's school of translation.


In creating the Canadian Oxford, Barber and her team of two started with the Concise Oxford Dictionary and began making it Canadian.


"You can't just take a British dictionary and shovel in 2,000 Canadian words," she says. "All dictionaries are a selection of all of the words in the language. You choose ones that your users are going to be coming across and need explaining.


"It's not just the words that are unique to Canada, but there are all sorts of activities that are more important to Canadians than they are to the British," she adds, citing sports such as hockey, curling and figure skating, the terminology for which gets short shrift in British dictionaries.


"There are words that designate Canadian historical realities, like seigneury, for instance. All of the names of the native peoples in Canada have to be included, and they've all gone through various spelling changes in the past 20 years, or even changes in the name. So the people who used to be called the Ojibway are now called the Anishinabe, for instance.


"You have to make sure the flora and fauna are the ones that we have here, and not the ones that they have over in Britain.


"It's all of that; it's not just the words that are unique to Canada. It's reflecting a Canadian reality in the dictionary."


Barber and her staff constantly read Canadian publications, circling words that might merit addition to their database. On planes, she always finds something in En Route magazine.


To qualify for inclusion in the Canadian Oxford, words have to have sufficiently established themselves in the nation's vocabulary -- that they're not, she says, "just a flash in the pan word," and that they're used frequently enough.


"Usually, our cutoff is we need 15 examples from 15 different sources before we consider including the word in the dictionary."


And proprietary words need not apply, at least not until they transcend their original definitions.


So timbits, which is still strictly confined to Tim Hortons, will have to wait a while before it can snuggle in between timber wolf and timbre.


But take heart. "We did add double-double," says Barber. "We knew about it when we did the first (edition), but at that point, it looked like it was only used in Tim Hortons. But between the first and the second, we had evidence, and we surveyed Canadians -- we're terrible eavesdroppers -- and it's obviously not just a Tim Hortons thing anymore."


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Canadian Glossary


All dressed: pizza or burgers with all the toppings


Chesterfield: couch


Deke: a hockey term for faking out an opponent


Dick all: nothing


Double Double: coffee with 2 cream, 2 sugars


Girl Guides: Americans call them Scouts, just like the boys


Housecoat: bath robe


Loonie: nickname of the $1 coin


Parkade: parking garage


Pogey: unemployment insurance


Poutine: French Canadian meal comprised of french fries, preferably fried in lard; topped with gravy and cheese curds


Seat sale: a ticket or fare sale (usually for a plane or bus, but occasionally for an event)


Serviette: napkin


Toboggan: sled


Toonie: nickname of the $2 coin


Tuque: a warm, knit hat


Two-four: a case of 24 beers


Washroom: bathroom



-- Edited by BrazenCanadian at 20:31, 2005-11-13

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I've never heard of butter tarts before .

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I have never even heard of butter tarts, though they sound yummy. I'm curious about the rest of the differences listed in that article; care to post the whole thing (or a link to)?


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Nope, never heard of 'em. Are they kind of like a dessert quiche?

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WHAT!!! No butter tarts...!?!?!?!!?

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i thought this thread was going to be about the doll store...American Girl. 



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Butter tarts are sooooo good, but it makes my teeth hurt thinking about them. They are that sweet.

-- Edited by sage at 18:11, 2005-11-13

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What's a butter tart?  It sounds good.  Anything that has enough butter in it to have "butter" in the name of it HAS to be good.


ETA:  I just read the recipe, and no, we don't have anything like that here.  A POUND of lard?!?!?!?!  My god!!!!



-- Edited by NCshopper at 18:45, 2005-11-13

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Never heard of a butter tart either, but Poutine is one of my favorite things in the world.  Yuuummmmy!

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luckylily wrote:

Never heard of a butter tart either, but Poutine is one of my favorite things in the world.  Yuuummmmy!



Ditto on this! No butter tarts but I LUUUUURVE poutine. My husband's family is from Quebec and his mom always makes this.

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Thanks, Brazen, for posting that. I find language variations so fascinating! DH and I chuckled over the name for a case of beer. *s*

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BrazenCanadian wrote:


 Double Double: coffee with 2 cream, 2 sugars


At In-N-Out burgers, a burger chain that SoCal natives are obsessed with...a Double Double is a burger with 2 patties and 2 slices of cheese "all dressed" between a bun.


This is hilarious....thanks so much!



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I had only heard the term "butter tart" once, in a song lyric, the line goes, "so you think he likes butter tarts?"  or something like that.  The song is "Steal My Sunshine" by Len....on the Go movie soundtrack.


Maybe Len is a Canadian band??



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You people don't have butter tarts?! That's really bad. I would make a batch and send 'em out myself if sending food over the border wasn't a no-no these days.


::organizes emergency airlift::


Maybe that's George Bush's problem? Lack of butter tarts? Damn, now I'm gonna have to go to the store and get one of the gross store ones. Timmy's are much better.


And I can't believe double-double is in the damn dictionary - ha ha!



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lorelei wrote:


I had only heard the term "butter tart" once, in a song lyric, the line goes, "so you think he likes butter tarts?"  or something like that.  The song is "Steal My Sunshine" by Len....on the Go movie soundtrack. Maybe Len is a Canadian band??

Len is a Canadian band. Or should I say was, as they have broken up.

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in LA, they call some small apartments "bachelors"--it means that they don't have a full kitchen.  never heard of butter tarts, though--yummy!

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