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sephorablue · Marc Jacobs

RE: Lost! 11/9

halleybird · Hermes

NCshopper wrote:

halleybird wrote: Also, does anyone remember if Walt was all wet during the last scene in the jungle? I know he was dripping wet in Shannon's other sightings, but can't remember the last one. If so, it would def. point to him being a projection, because they were quite a way from the water. It was raining in that last scene. He was wet, but so was everyone else.

*smacks head* it was raining. Duh!

bumblebee · Coach

what's the deal with walt? that was the one thing i didn't understand. shannon was telling sayyid something about knowing something about the raft because they found the bottle with the notes, like maybe that walt was never on it or something and now he is out in the jungle all alone? what was that about? do we know what was written on the notes that shannon and sun read? i didn't understand what she was talking about.

i vaguely remember the thing with the marshall, although it didn't register with me that he was the marshall when i was originally watching it. he was suffering horribly and bleeding and screaming, and charlie decided to shoot him rather than force everyone to listen to it because it was freaking them out. there was nothing he could do to fix him, so he was going to bleed out and die anyway. there was some controversy with the bullet/gun, i think, and sawyer was involved with it. that's all i remember.

good call on libby--weird...!

NCshopper · Hermes

bumblebee wrote:

what's the deal with walt? that was the one thing i didn't understand. shannon was telling sayyid something about knowing something about the raft because they found the bottle with the notes, like maybe that walt was never on it or something and now he is out in the jungle all alone? what was that about? do we know what was written on the notes that shannon and sun read? i didn't understand what she was talking about.

Before the Michael, Jin, Walt, and Sawyer left on the raft, all the survivors wrote notes to put in a bottle so that if the rafties were to get rescued, that they could give the notes to their families and let them know that they were okay.

A few episodes ago the bottle had washed up on the shore and Shannon and Kate (I think?) found it and decided not to tell anyone. Kate told Sun because Jin was on the raft and she thought Sun should know.

What's written on the papers doesn't really matter all that much, but it's significant because it means something happened to the raft. As of right now, Kate, Sun, Shannon, and now Sayid are the only ones that know that the bottle showed up (ie there's something wrong with the raft).

Hope that explains it.

bumblebee · Coach

oh okay, got it. thanks, ncshopper!

kenzie · Chanel

halleybird wrote:

Those who think Shannon's death is a red herring, do you think this quote is just a ruse? It says she was written out of the show. Maggie Grace, who played Shannon, was "really awesome" about being written out of the show, says executive producer Carlton Cuse.

Creative journalism. It's convenient that they didn't quote the producer directly. I realize this is a valid journalism technique, but this show has thrown us too many red herrings so far for me to believe it until I see it on the show.

scarlett · Marc Jacobs

Yeah, I won't believe anyone is dead until next week either. Maybe we'll get another scene where Jack has to decide who to save between Sawyer and Shannon (someone raised this point already and I think it's a good one). But it felt too open as to who it could be.

Another thing I was thinking about: this reminded me of when Ethan got shot. There were a bunch of people in the jungle then and it was raining too.

trixie · Kenneth Cole

Here are some screen caps from the episode to support the notion that Ana Lucia did not shoot Shannon. What is interesting to note is that in picture number one, the person (whoever it is) is holding the weapon (gun? knife?) in his/her left hand. In the second pic, Ana Lucia is holding the gun in her right hand. In the third pic, the shadowy figure, which I'm assuming is the person from the first pic, definitely has short hair and looks like a man.

kenzie · Chanel

scarlett wrote:

Yeah, I won't believe anyone is dead until next week either. Maybe we'll get another scene where Jack has to decide who to save between Sawyer and Shannon (someone raised this point already and I think it's a good one). But it felt too open as to who it could be. Another thing I was thinking about: this reminded me of when Ethan got shot. There were a bunch of people in the jungle then and it was raining too.

I don't think we'll find out next week. Next week is the first 48 days for the Tailies. I don't think the next chronological episode is until two weeks from now. Boohiss!!!! But I am interested to see next week's episode. I'm sure that more questions about The Others will be answered (and of course, a million more questions raised).

smash · Dooney & Bourke

i liked the episode. a few thoughts i had as i was watching -

- i need to go back and rewatch the finale of season one, but i was thinking as i watched the episode that maybe libby was the woman on the raft in the finale? all i remember was that it was a woman (i believe she threw that makeshift bomb onto the raft). since there are lots of signs pointing to libby being a plant, that made me wonder if it was her with the others that time. by the way, do we know for sure that the people on the boat who took walt are the same people who have been seen/heard in the jungle? i guess maybe we will have further clarification on this after next week's episode? i am hoping next week we'll see in the early moments of the tail section episode, whether or not libby was among the survivers or if she appears after the initial beach scene...

- regarding the charlie plotline - does it seem like he has been becoming more and more possessive of aaron lately? i guess that could be because he likes having some responsibility on the island and clearly he feels some responsibility towards clairs (as we saw in season one), but i was wondering if maybe charlie somehow was affected in some way when he was taken by the others/ethan in season one and now he is kind of a plant to eventually take aaron? probably far-fetched, but i'm wondering why the others haven't come for aaron if they seem to be really capable of collecting all of these children (rousseau's, the two kids from the tail, walt). i'm really hoping that they pick that storyline of the psychic's thoughts about claire's baby back up again -- it's one of the things i am most curious about

- i am not convinced that shannon is dead, but i'm not really sure i believe that she wasn't shot by ana lucia. those screenshots posted above to me look like they could be Mr. Eko's arm and it's just a different camera angle of the last scene. i rewatced the last couples of minutes of the episode last night and it really looks like sayid is looking right at ana lucia at the end, not sideways or at someone else, which leads me to believe that he saw her shoot shannon or else he just *thinks* she shot shannon (which would imply that he doesn't see someone else who could be guilty in the scene). i do agree that the wound on shannon looked larger than a gunshot wound - there wouldn't have been that much of a hole unless she was shot at extremely close range, but it seems like she was farther away from AL in the last scene where Sayid is holding her. i guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens next week. i wonder if we will get any progression of the current story of if the entire episode will just be like the pilot episode except focusing on the tail section folks (ie, will the story be someone's flashback or will it just air as it happened)

- if shannon is indeed dead, there is speculation that i've heard that boone and shannon weren't "destined" to be on the island since they changed their tickets at the airport before boarding the plane - very "final destination" i guess, but still interesting.

- have we seen cindy before in anyone else's flashbacks? for some reason she looked familiar to me, but i couldn't put my finger on whether it was from season 1 or just some random movie she was in or something. or maybe i'm thinking of someone else altogether.

i think that's all i've got for thoughts on things for now

ETA: one more thing i remembered from rewatching last night - Sayid looked right at Walt at the end and made a surprised face, before Shannon looked and saw him and asked Sayid "do you see him" which leads me to believe that Sayid actually saw Walt and wasn't just saying that he did to appease Shannon - could it be that in that scene it actually *was* walt, not a projection or vision or anything? also, if it was walt, and we are assuming that someone other than AL shot shannon, could it have been walt who stabbed/killed her? if AL shot him, that would obviously produce shock on everyone's faces... we all know walt has some sort of powers and could have had some role in his own mother's death (speculation, obviously), so maybe the fact that shannon kept seeing him was forshadowing that he was going to kill her? no idea. just another thought.

-- Edited by smash at 11:34, 2005-11-11

smash · Dooney & Bourke

i just checked out imdb to see about cindy being in any other episodes and this is what i found about actress kimberley joseph:

"Lost" playing "Cindy" in episode: "Pilot: Part 2" (episode # 1.2) 29 September 2004

"Lost" playing "Cindy" in episode: "Pilot: Part 1" (episode # 1.1) 22 September 2004

hmmm... now i want to go back and rewatch the pilot for the 400th time - was she the flight attendant who gave jack the booze?

sorry if this is common knowledge already - i'm just trying to place her.

-- Edited by smash at 12:03, 2005-11-11

NCshopper · Hermes

smash wrote:

- have we seen cindy before in anyone else's flashbacks? for some reason she looked familiar to me, but i couldn't put my finger on whether it was from season 1 or just some random movie she was in or something. or maybe i'm thinking of someone else altogether.

Cindy was a flight attendant on the plane, so it's possible that we saw her on the plane. I'm thinking it may have been the episode where Charlie was trying to do heroin on the plane and the flight attendants were chasing him right before the plane split apart.

Good call on Libby being on the boat with the others. I'm going to check the dvd tonight and see what I can find. But I definitely remember a blonde woman being on that boat. I think you're on to something here.

kenzie · Chanel

I put my responses in bold.

smash wrote:

i liked the episode. a few thoughts i had as i was watching - - i need to go back and rewatch the finale of season one, but i was thinking as i watched the episode that maybe libby was the woman on the raft in the finale? all i remember was that it was a woman (i believe she threw that makeshift bomb onto the raft). since there are lots of signs pointing to libby being a plant, that made me wonder if it was her with the others that time. by the way, do we know for sure that the people on the boat who took walt are the same people who have been seen/heard in the jungle? i guess maybe we will have further clarification on this after next week's episode? i am hoping next week we'll see in the early moments of the tail section episode, whether or not libby was among the survivers or if she appears after the initial beach scene...

I've heard theories about this. I think that there might be some screen caps on the theory boards at www.oceanicflight815.com. I think it's a likely scenario if in fact, Libby is a plant.

- regarding the charlie plotline - does it seem like he has been becoming more and more possessive of aaron lately? i guess that could be because he likes having some responsibility on the island and clearly he feels some responsibility towards clairs (as we saw in season one), but i was wondering if maybe charlie somehow was affected in some way when he was taken by the others/ethan in season one and now he is kind of a plant to eventually take aaron? probably far-fetched, but i'm wondering why the others haven't come for aaron if they seem to be really capable of collecting all of these children (rousseau's, the two kids from the tail, walt). i'm really hoping that they pick that storyline of the psychic's thoughts about claire's baby back up again

I love this!! And it's a new idea. I don't think I've heard it yet on any other board. You're right that Charlie does seem a little off at the moment. Your idea makes sense and seems like a plausible plotline.

-- it's one of the things i am most curious about - i am not convinced that shannon is dead, but i'm not really sure i believe that she wasn't shot by ana lucia. those screenshots posted above to me look like they could be Mr. Eko's arm and it's just a different camera angle of the last scene. i rewatced the last couples of minutes of the episode last night and it really looks like sayid is looking right at ana lucia at the end, not sideways or at someone else, which leads me to believe that he saw her shoot shannon or else he just *thinks* she shot shannon (which would imply that he doesn't see someone else who could be guilty in the scene). i do agree that the wound on shannon looked larger than a gunshot wound

I agree that it looks like he's looking at Ana Lucia. But like you said, that could imply that he just hasn't seen the actual shooter. We know that The Others are stealthy and can come and go rather quickly, without people taking notice, so the other person could already be gone.

- there wouldn't have been that much of a hole unless she was shot at extremely close range, but it seems like she was farther away from AL in the last scene where Sayid is holding her. i guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens next week. i wonder if we will get any progression of the current story of if the entire episode will just be like the pilot episode except focusing on the tail section folks (ie, will the story be someone's flashback or will it just air as it happened)

From what I've read, it's the first 48 days from the perspective of the Tailies. I don't *think* that there is any story progression. Basically, it's all of Season 1 rolled into one night to focus on the Tailies.

- if shannon is indeed dead, there is speculation that i've heard that boone and shannon weren't "destined" to be on the island since they changed their tickets at the airport before boarding the plane - very "final destination" i guess, but still interesting.

That would explain why two people in one family would have been killed off. Otherwise, it just seems cruel!!

- have we seen cindy before in anyone else's flashbacks? for some reason she looked familiar to me, but i couldn't put my finger on whether it was from season 1 or just some random movie she was in or something. or maybe i'm thinking of someone else altogether. i think that's all i've got for thoughts on things for now ETA: one more thing i remembered from rewatching last night

She was a flight attendant. I think she's the flight attendant who gives Jack his drinks in the Pilot episode.

- Sayid looked right at Walt at the end and made a surprised face, before Shannon looked and saw him and asked Sayid "do you see him" which leads me to believe that Sayid actually saw Walt and wasn't just saying that he did to appease Shannon - could it be that in that scene it actually *was* walt, not a projection or vision or anything? also, if it was walt, and we are assuming that someone other than AL shot shannon, could it have been walt who stabbed/killed her? if AL shot him, that would obviously produce shock on everyone's faces... we all know walt has some sort of powers and could have had some role in his own mother's death (speculation, obviously), so maybe the fact that shannon kept seeing him was forshadowing that he was going to kill her? no idea. just another thought.

I was actually dicussing yesterday with a co-worker the possibility of Walt being the one who stabbed Shannon. We know that Walt knows how to throw a knife with great precision (Locke taught him last season). The only problem with that is, where's the knife? Why isn't it still stuck in Shannon. But of course, if Walt is an Other, then that could explain it b/c we know that they don't move like normal humans move.

I watched again and I do think that Sayid saw Walt. I think that was the only time that Walt was actually there and every other time, he was a projection (and that's why he always is speaking backwards).

-- Edited by NylaBelle at 12:15, 2005-11-11

kenzie · Chanel

smash wrote:

i just checked out imdb to see about cindy being in any other episodes and this is what i found about actress kimberley joseph: "Lost" playing "Cindy" in episode: "Pilot: Part 2" (episode # 1.2) 29 September 2004 "Lost" playing "Cindy" in episode: "Pilot: Part 1" (episode # 1.1) 22 September 2004 hmmm... now i want to go back and rewatch the pilot for the 400th time - was she the flight attendant who gave jack the booze? sorry if this is common knowledge already - i'm just trying to place her.-- Edited by smash at 12:03, 2005-11-11

Haha...I just posted this in my response to your original post. We must have posted at the same time.

NCshopper · Hermes

I just thought about this: While Shannon and Boone were talking in the last episode, the Dave Matthews Band song "Stay" was playing in the background. I just checked amazon.com and the CD with that song on it was released in 1998, which seems to be consistent with other theories that Jack met his wife around then. If that's the case and Shannon was 18 then when her dad died, she'd be about 24-25 now, which seems much more likely than her being 20.

ETA: This would give Jack 7 years to meet his wife, marry her, and get divorced.

-- Edited by NCshopper at 13:25, 2005-11-11

kenzie · Chanel

NCshopper wrote:

I just thought about this: While Shannon and Boone were talking in the last episode, the Dave Matthews Band song "Stay" was playing in the background. I just checked amazon.com and the CD with that song on it was released in 1998, which seems to be consistent with other theories that Jack met his wife around then. If that's the case and Shannon was 18 then when her dad died, she'd be about 24-25 now, which seems much more likely than her being 20. ETA: This would give Jack 7 years to meet his wife, marry her, and get divorced.-- Edited by NCshopper at 13:25, 2005-11-11

Yep and it just confirms the theory that Shannon is a crazy performing lying about her age.

scarlett · Marc Jacobs

OMG, what a good point about that song! Way to research.

This might be just me, but those posted screen shots aren't perspectives I remember seeing on the show. I don't recall seeing Shannon running into the jungle towards a shadowy figure with an arm holding a weapon. Does anyone else? Because those really don't seem to be from the episode, as far as I can tell.