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Alb - Lucy has acid reflux right? If so - can you tell me how you knew...what the symptoms that she had?


Karina - how did you teach your little ones the difference between day/night? It seems as time goes on Talia sleeps MORE during the day and less and less at night. At 9 I give her a bath and then turn down the lights - feed her etc..but she always stays up until 1ish...I know she is still young - but if there is anything I can do to start helping her know the difference I would like to start.


I think the bath wakes her up more than anything else!! Maybe I should bathe her earlier?


Any advice moms?


 



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Can't help much with the acid reflux...Johannes did not have this.


But...as to the sleep thing...she is still fairly young to be put on a schedule.  But the best tips I can think of are: 



  • natural light/natural dark : pull back the curtains during the day, the light may help her wake or stay awake

  • with my son I would begin the go-to-bed process as soon as it was dusk...bath first, then a bottle, then just rocking him to sleep

  • if he woke up I would not turn on the light...I'd just go in and pick him up and do my best to rock him back to sleep.

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I did whatever possible to keep Giselle up during the day - put on lots of lights, open the curtains, put on loud music or TV, sing and bounce her on my knee, put her under the baby play gym, put her in the bouncy seat, the swing, change her diaper, etc...


At night, I have a routine with her, and if I don't do it this way, she will NOT sleep.  I give her a bath with the johnson and johnson's lavender wash, and give her a massage with the lavender lotion.  I swaddle her in a very thin blanket, and then I put her in the swaddler thing.  I go into my room and lay with her in my bed and breastfeed for about an hour.  She usually falls asleep on my boob after the hour is done and then I put her in her room in her crib.  Chris used to wake up all night because he was hungry.   I have found that if I do not put her in the swaddler, she will not sleep either.. the thing is a Godsend.



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I used the swaddling Miracle Blanket, www.miracleblanket.com, you can find it online or on ebay.  Sometimes it's in boutiques.  I used it all the way up to six months with my son last year and on the rare nights that we would leave him sleeping loosely, he would wake more often.


I would rock him when he woke, nurse him, or just hold him snug and tightly in his miracle blanket and sway back and forth either walking or sitting in a chair.


However, night waking is based on your baby's temperament mostly.  Mine was still waking frequently all the way up to one year (meaning about twice until normal morning wake up time of around 530 or 6AM).  Now at 13 months, it's rare, but he might still wake up in the middle of the night sometimes, fortunately, the older they get, the quicker and easier it is to calm them back down to sleep.


Mine was a breastfed baby, and I read a study from the late 80's that found that weaned babies generally slept better than still breastfeeding babies.  So if you are breastfeeding, you can look forward to maybe better sleeping once you wean.  Or if you are formula feeding, you can keep your fingers crossed that she will be sleeping much better once she hits that 12 week mark, because that's when most easy tempered babies get into more of routine.



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In what position is she sleeping during the day vs. the night JMR?



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I was a new mom last year and I agree swaddling your baby in a blanket works like a charm, you don't have to buy a special blanket tho, if they didn't teach you how to do it in the hospital, I found the instructions online: http://www.babycentre.co.uk/refcap/125.html#1, http://www.babycenter.com/refcap/baby/newborns/125.html#1


I tried to keep her awake a lot in the day, not so much because I wanted her to sleep at night, but because I was so astounded with her.  She would go down at about 9 get up to eat at midnight & again at 5am, but she didn't get on this schedule until she was about 2 mths old.  So I would give her more time, she's probably still adjusting as much as you are.


 



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LMonet wrote:


In what position is she sleeping during the day vs. the night JMR?

at night she is in her crib - during the day in the pack and play (downstairs) or in one of her little chairs or swing.

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If she does have acid reflux, maybe sleeping flat on her back is uncomfortable?  Have you tried putting her to sleep at night in her swing or chair to see if that might help?

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Do you have a boppy? I put Giselle to sleep on the boppy sometimes. she loves it.

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LMonet wrote:


If she does have acid reflux, maybe sleeping flat on her back is uncomfortable?  Have you tried putting her to sleep at night in her swing or chair to see if that might help?

yes, the past few nights I have slept in her room with her (I have a bed in there) she sleeps in the chair on the floor next to me - I am concerned that if she is on her back and spits up she will choke - so she and I both sleep better with her in the chair.

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JMR wrote:

yes, the past few nights I have slept in her room with her (I have a bed in there) she sleeps in the chair on the floor next to me - I am concerned that if she is on her back and spits up she will choke - so she and I both sleep better with her in the chair.



as a non-mom, i can only comment on my sister's experience. one of her twins had acid reflux. at first they assumed it was colic, but it didn't seem to go away. he was always fussy, and would scream all the time. (sometimes even the swing wouldn't calm him down) her husband finally figured it out and it was all sunshine and lollipops after that. (i mean as much as it can get with newborns)

re: sleeping on her back. i know my sister put them to bed on their sides after they ate, and if you are concerned about choking, maybe this is a good option for you. there's this pillow thing she had that kept them from rolling on their stomachs/backs.

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Hey JMR--Yes Lucy has reflux.  In babies it's actually called gastroesophageal reflux (I think), the same as acid reflux in adults.  It occurs when the muscle that keeps the food from coming back up is not fully developed and food won't go down into the stomach as easily (if that makes sense).  When a baby is placed on his or her back, gravity will force the food to come back out and they will spit up.  I used to worry about the choking thing too, but I think the risk of that happening is relatively minimal.  Nevertheless many peds recommend that the baby sleep on his or her back on an incline sleep positioner or even in her car seat.  We put Lucy in her car seat in her crib and she did really well and started sleeping through the night at about 10 weeks.  She slept that way until she was about 4 1/2 months old (just recently).  I think it was a lot more comfortable for her.


Lucy was diagnosed with reflux when she was about 6 weeks.  One of the major red flags with reflux is if the baby fusses/cries during feedings, which means that eating is causing their esophagus to hurt I think because the stomach acid is coming up.  Fussiness and frequent spitup are the main symptoms.  Also, some babies simply have difficulty digesting breastmilk and regular formula, so they have to take special formula with proteins that are already broken down, or soy formula if they are haing an issue with Lactose.  Lucy only likes Nestle Good Start; it is much easier on her stomach.  I don't know if formula is something you want to consider but it's something for you to think about.  Also, there are tons of different medications your ped can prescribe, i.e. zanax, etc.  Some people have good results from these, but we never have.  It helps to keep them elevated after a feeding burp them very thoroughly after feedings so they don't have any trapped gas that will add to the problem, rub their little tummies, and move their legs in a bicyle motion to get the trapped air out.  Also, constipation makes reflux a lot worse so you want to be on the lookout for that (there are things you can do to help with constipation also). 


What are Talia's symptoms?  Let me know if you have any more questions--I did a lot of research on reflux.  



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alb wrote:

Also, there are tons of different medications your ped can prescribe, i.e. zanax, etc.



i'm sure you meant zantac! xanax for a baby would be pretty intense!

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Erin - hahaha ...


 


Alb - lately she has been spitting up A LOT - it might even be vomiting (hard to tell the difference)...She will fall asleep on me then when I put her down in the crib she will ALWAYS wake up. She only seems to be comfy in her vibrating chairs. In addition lately she cries when I feed her -breast or bottle (I do give her one bottle of formula a day). She also gets the hiccups a lot -they used to not bother her...now she screams when she gets them. The thing is though  - she isn't overly fussy - not colicky or anything. Could it be that maybe it was just something I ate that didn't agree with her since I breastfeed?



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since you are breastfeeding, if I were you, I would cut out the formula for now, in these early weeks, it will only decrease your own milk production...unless you pump.  you are probably already being dilligent about burping her, but some babies are harder to burp than others, so give a few extra pats or squeezes to make sure she is comfortable.  Mine was a big spitter upper and a serious fuss monster, but he didn't have GERD.


I remember one lactaction consultant in my childbirth classes telling me that it's not a good idea to drink milk more than in moderation while you are breastfeeding because cow milk is sometimes it is one of the culprits of fussiness because it makes your own milk harder for baby to digest those extra cow proteins.  Do drink plenty of water.


As far as you noticing her crying when you lay her down, relax, that is just a newborn baby for you!  They would prefer to be in your arms and they are very perceptive!  She knows what she likes, when you lay her down while still swaddled, try laying your hands on her, singing softly to her and then slowly removing yourself once she is calmed.



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Giselle has started spitting up a lot since I started supplementing with formula.  I had this problem with Christian also, and then when we switched him over to Isomil, we were good to go.  You might want to think of switching the formula.

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erin wrote:



alb wrote: Also, there are tons of different medications your ped can prescribe, i.e. zanax, etc. i'm sure you meant zantac! xanax for a baby would be pretty intense!



Hehe, yes, I definitely meant ZANTAC!  No-- zanax would not be good for a baby!


 



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JMR--From what I understand,  spitting up can be a sign of reflux, but then again a lot of babies spit up and don't have it.  The key is to determine if the baby has other symptoms indicating reflux in addition to the spitup.  Also, regarding the spitup--I thought it was hard to tell if it was vomit or spitup at first too, but the way you tell is that if it is vomit it looks a little thicker (almost to the point of being in chunks) and it definitely will smell like vomit.  Also, is she experiencing projectile vomiting (i.e. where it goes out with force, such as a water fountain)or does it just dribble out of her mouth?  That's a definite sign as well.  Lucy had that a few times.  Re: the hiccups, I hate to tell you this but requent hiccups can also be a symptom of reflux.  Again, I'm sure there are babies out there though that spitup and hiccup frequently but don't have reflux.  The fact that she doesn't like lying down also might be a sign--are you putting her down right after she eats?  Reflux babies do better if they are not put flat on their backs right after they eat.  That also could be nothing though, as lorelei pointed out, she could just want to be held. 


 Regarding Karina's suggestion of switching formula, I would definitely try that.  We tried similac, isomil, alimentum, emfamil, just about all of them and she liked Nestle Good Start soy the best.  I would definitely recommend it, even if you just get regular (non-soy).  I'm not sure about the breastfeeding question b/c I didn't bf, but I would assume that could be the case if her symptoms get better after you change your diet a little.  The fact that she's not fussy is a good sign.  Lucy was really fussy, and I had to call the doctor's office a couple of times.  That's what led to her reflux diagnosis.  HTH some, let me know if you have any other questions!


   



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Regarding Karina's suggestion of switching formula, I would definitely try that.  We tried similac, isomil, alimentum, emfamil, just about all of them and she liked Nestle Good Start soy the best.  I would definitely recommend it, even if you just get regular (non-soy).  I'm not sure about the breastfeeding question b/c I didn't bf, but I would assume that could be the case if her symptoms get better after you change your diet a little.  The fact that she's not fussy is a good sign.  Lucy was really fussy, and I had to call the doctor's office a couple of times.  That's what led to her reflux diagnosis.  HTH some, let me know if you have any other questions!    


Oh! I second the Nestle Good Start Formula, my co-worker recommended it, after the Soy formula cured their daughter's tummy probs.  We gave our daughter the regular Nestle Good Start Supreme and never had any tummy issues.  One of my relatives twins had a lot of issues with the similac/isomil, & enfamil and also ended up with the NGS Soy formula.  So that would be something you could consider.



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Thank you so much everyone! I just spoke to the dr. he also suspects she has reflux and suggested trying the soy formula. I only give her one bottle of formula a day - should I up it a little to see if that helps? Maybe 2 bottles a day??

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