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kenzie · Chanel

Lost 9/28

ILoveChoo · Hermes

I agree that I'm not so sure anymore about Desmond being evil. He is def. creepy, and there is something weird about him, but he seems pretty confused about everything too. And he didn't know that they had crashed on the island? why was he all freaking out when they told him they had been there for 44 days? And then they almost immediatly showed the tick marks on the wall- do they have a connection? (if he sets the computer thing every 108 minutes, how many times would he have done it in 44 days? could that be how mnay ticks there are?)

The candy that Kate ate was called Apollo. They made a point to show that, so I think there must be something there, but what?

I also noticed that both Locke and Kate have their shoes off at this point. coincidence?

I like the idea that Hurley is Desmonds replacement, but if that was true it seems like he would know... I think maybe by luck Desmond might think this though and ecplain some of the things that are going on to him. plus, he asked "the world is still out there?!" like he expected it to be gone...so where does he think this "him" is coming from?

-- Edited by ILoveChoo at 09:58, 2005-09-29

kenzie · Chanel

ILoveChoo wrote:

I agree that I'm not so sure anymore about Desmond being evil. He is def. creepy, and there is something weird about him, but he seems pretty confused about everything too. And he didn't know that they had crashed on the island? why was he all freaking out when they told him they had been there for 44 days? And then they almost immediatly showed the tick marks on the wall- do they have a connection? (if he sets the computer thing every 108 minutes, how many times would he have done it in 44 days? could that be how mnay ticks there are?)

Yes, I think the tick marks represent the days that Desmond has been there. There is definitely a significance to the 44 days. If you were Desmond and you had been in that hatch, resetting that clock every 108 minutes for 5 years or whatever and it was nearing the time you got to leave I think you'd be pretty antsy too!

The candy that Kate ate was called Apollo. They made a point to show that, so I think there must be something there, but what?

I think it is to show how long the hatch (not Desmond) has been there. It's a setting a time frame.

I also noticed that both Locke and Kate have their shoes off at this point. coincidence?

Probably so that their shoes didn't make noises on the floor when they were sneaking around. Bare feet are more quiet than shoes.

I like the idea that Hurley is Desmonds replacement, but if that was true it seems like he would know... I think maybe by luck Desmond might think this though and ecplain some of the things that are going on to him. plus, he asked "the world is still out there?!" like he expected it to be gone...so where does he think this "him" is coming from?-- Edited by ILoveChoo at 09:58, 2005-09-29

I don't think that Desmond knew that he was supposed to be there. I think he ended up there by chance during his 'race around the world' and whoever was there before him told him that he had to replace him and that he (Desmond) would be getting a replacement in x number of years and the snowman question was the code. Therefore, Hurley will get there by chance as well and he'll answer Desmond's question and then Desmond will train him.

I think about the world still being there--Desmond was just confirming that his efforts (resetting the clock, etc) had been successful.

-- Edited by NylaBelle at 10:23, 2005-09-29

trixie · Kenneth Cole

108 is the sum of all those lottery numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42

whatever that might mean

kenzie · Chanel

trixie wrote:

108 is the sum of all those lottery numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42 whatever that might mean

Yep. 108 is also the amount of time on the timer and the numbers are what Desmond punches in to keep it from detonating. I think that's the significance.

NCshopper · Hermes

I'm just not sure what to think of Desmond. He's creepy as hell, but he doesn't seem evil to me.

As for the shoes, I think the fact that Kate and Locke both aren't wearing shoes now will come back to play in the future. I just have a gut feeling about it. Yes, it makes less noise if you don't wear shoes, but I think there's more to it than that.

I think later today I'll do the math and figure out how many tick marks there would be if you made a tick every 108 minutes for 44 days. I think it will be a lot, but not nearly as many tick marks as there were on the wall.

Do you guys think that Desmond knows that Kate's up in that vent, or did he just shoot up there to make a point and it was by accident that he aimed where she was?

As for Hurley, I'm not sure. I just think that the chances of someone getting on the island that a) knows the numbers and b) knows the answer to the riddle are so ridiculously small that there is no way that would be an effective strategy. I think Desmond's been in the hatch for awhile, but he hasn't really aged that much, so he couldn't have been there THAT long.

Also, what is up with that song?!?!?!?! It creeps me out! I'd love to know the date of the song and who sang it...maybe that might give us some answers. Or then again maybe not.

Nyla--I totally missed the tattoo on the shark. Was it on its back? Since you mentioned the tattoo, now I'm starting to think that the shark is just another part of the "security system." Okay, gotta get back to work. I taped the episode this time, so I'm going to rewatch at some point. Yay!

kenzie · Chanel

NCshopper wrote:

I'm just not sure what to think of Desmond. He's creepy as hell, but he doesn't seem evil to me. As for the shoes, I think the fact that Kate and Locke both aren't wearing shoes now will come back to play in the future. I just have a gut feeling about it. Yes, it makes less noise if you don't wear shoes, but I think there's more to it than that.

Locke takes his shoes off when he sees that the floor isn't carpeted and his shoes will make noise. Honestly, I don't think it's any more than that. Locke is a savvy hunter and Kate is a fugitive so they both know that bare feet are quieter and better for sneaking around.

I think later today I'll do the math and figure out how many tick marks there would be if you made a tick every 108 minutes for 44 days. I think it will be a lot, but not nearly as many tick marks as there were on the wall.

Desmond may have picked up where the other person left off.

Do you guys think that Desmond knows that Kate's up in that vent, or did he just shoot up there to make a point and it was by accident that he aimed where she was?

No, I don't think he knows. I think he was just shooting to make a point. I think he would have been a little more riled up if he knew that Kate was sneaking around.

As for Hurley, I'm not sure. I just think that the chances of someone getting on the island that a) knows the numbers and b) knows the answer to the riddle are so ridiculously small that there is no way that would be an effective strategy.

I think that there is a greater force drawing them to the island.

I think Desmond's been in the hatch for awhile, but he hasn't really aged that much, so he couldn't have been there THAT long. Also, what is up with that song?!?!?!?! It creeps me out! I'd love to know the date of the song and who sang it...maybe that might give us some answers. Or then again maybe not.

The song is from the 70's. It's Cass Elliot (of the Mama's and the Papa's) and I seriously can't get it out of my head now). The Apollo candy bars are also from that era. I think that Desmond has only been in the hatch for a few years b/c he met Jack in 1997. Someone was clearly there before him (I'm convinced it's Lenny).

Nyla--I totally missed the tattoo on the shark. Was it on its back? Since you mentioned the tattoo, now I'm starting to think that the shark is just another part of the "security system."

It was on the underside of its tail. I think that it is part of the security system and that there might be another entrance to the hatch under the water. Also, the tatoo on the shark looks the same as the stamps on the food in the bunker. There is definitely a higher level that is controlling this and Desmond (and all the people before him) are just pawns in the game. HTH!!!

Okay, gotta get back to work. I taped the episode this time, so I'm going to rewatch at some point. Yay!

-- Edited by NylaBelle at 11:03, 2005-09-29

mikacat · Coach

saw the polar bear gift--

didn't notice the tatoo on the shark

i think there is something to the Apollo candy and the shoes---they spent too long showing it again.

more later --- swamped at work.

blink · Coach

Damn, the beginning of last nights episode was seriously a "Locke problem!" I about died when he told Desmond that he was "him," as Desmond asked.

I was disappointed that so much of last night's episode was Sawyer and Mike's argument, I was on the edge of my seat to get to the part where Jack says to Desmond, "You!"

I just knew Jin would show up on the island, did he get there the same way Mike and Sawyer did?

In the trailer for next week's episode, doesn't it kind of look like Desmond decides to leave Locke down in the hatch to cover the number entering duty? There was a clip of a scene that looked like Locke sitting at the computer looking out and crying, "What am I supposed to do?" or something like that.

Man, they got me. I love this show. I can't wait to see what's up with Michelle Rodriguez.

sfcaligirl · Dooney & Bourke

i have nothing to add in the way of theories, but i just wanted to say that i watched "lost" for the first time last night and it scared the crap out of me! i was really confused (my roommate was trying to give me some background info while we watched), but i think i might be hooked! i hope that if i continue watching, things will become a little bit more clear. at the very least, i'm going to continue to watch just to see matthew fox, that little hottie mc hotterson. i've loved him ever since his days as charlie salinger on party of five! sigh.....

kenzie · Chanel

lorelei wrote:

Damn, the beginning of last nights episode was seriously a "Locke problem!" I about died when he told Desmond that he was "him," as Desmond asked.

I think Locke was just trying to diffuse Desmond's anxiety/anger, by answering that. Locke isn't really 'him' b/c he doesn't know the answer to the riddle.

I was disappointed that so much of last night's episode was Sawyer and Mike's argument, I was on the edge of my seat to get to the part where Jack says to Desmond, "You!" I just knew Jin would show up on the island, did he get there the same way Mike and Sawyer did?

He got there faster than Mike and Sawyer, that's for sure. How, I don't know...maybe he grabbed onto the boat that took Walt. Those people coming after them at the end of the episode looked pretty 'other-ly' to me!!

In the trailer for next week's episode, doesn't it kind of look like Desmond decides to leave Locke down in the hatch to cover the number entering duty? There was a clip of a scene that looked like Locke sitting at the computer looking out and crying, "What am I supposed to do?" or something like that.

Yeah, and it shows Desmond running through the woods and Locke by the broken computer. Even though Locke isn't 'him,' it looks like Desmond just wants out of the hatch (who can blame him?) and he forces Locke to set up shop. But where's Jack? And Kate?

Man, they got me. I love this show. I can't wait to see what's up with Michelle Rodriguez.

From the previews it looks like she might be trapped with 'the others.' Maybe the other tail section survivors who caught the sickness, but she didn't? I think that there is a biological warfare and/or experimentation element to this show and that's what the hatch and the quarantine sign is all about. I'm so glad this isn't all sci-fi-the-aliens-are-here bs!! What a great show!

kenzie · Chanel

sfcaligirl wrote:

i've loved him ever since his days as charlie salinger on party of five! sigh.....

Swoon

...me too!

-- Edited by NylaBelle at 13:50, 2005-09-29

scarlett · Marc Jacobs

that final shot of the others approaching with their home-made weapons scared the crap out of me!

my take on locke answering "yes" to "are you him?" is that locke believes he has some connection to the island that no one else does, and when desmond asked that question he was thinking it was a reflection on that. like, "are you the one who I've been waiting for?"

i couldn't understand the comment desmond made after that, but thanks to you guys i know it's the snowman joke now. how bizarre!

asf · Kate Spade

the bf just told me that he just saw on tv where they figured out what walt was saying when shannon saw him in the woods, and it was "push the button. no button is bad."

the execute button? but it seems like desmond's been doing that...maybe there's a button that would end the whole process? or release the "spell" of the island?

this show always raises more questions than it answers.

and i am SO glad that sawyer didn't get eaten by that shark! i was so worried, he's my eye candy on the show! well...he and sayid. jack's hot, too, but i think the fact that his last name is fox (in real life, obviously) kills it for me...mine is, too, so i feel like we're related or something. lol.

kenzie · Chanel

scarlett wrote:

that final shot of the others approaching with their home-made weapons scared the crap out of me! my take on locke answering "yes" to "are you him?" is that locke believes he has some connection to the island that no one else does, and when desmond asked that question he was thinking it was a reflection on that. like, "are you the one who I've been waiting for?" i couldn't understand the comment desmond made after that, but thanks to you guys i know it's the snowman joke now. how bizarre!

I thought that, too...but then Locke didn't know the answer and maybe he was disappointed b/c he realized that he wasn't 'him.' Then I think he just went into survival mode with Kate and that's where he's at now. Maybe disappointed and disillusioned. I actually felt bad for him last night.

crystal · Kate Spade

phew, just watched it so now i can read all the comments. thanks NB for being our resident LOST expert!! luckily i watched w/ a coworker who had already seen it so she told us when to look for the shark's tattoo, but what did you mean that it's a "Chinese I-Ching Symbol", NylaBelle? I asked my Chinese coworker and she had no clue what I was talking about. When I saw it I just recognized it as the same symbol on Desmond's jumper and on all the food (except the candy bars... did anyone notice that?).

so what i'm wondering is, why is it 108 minutes? who made that call? why not make it 108 days or why not make it 108 years??? then they wouldn't have to have someone down there resetting it so often. ugh, well i can't really think of anything else right now, i'm sure more will come to me...

kenzie · Chanel

crystal wrote:

phew, just watched it so now i can read all the comments. thanks NB for being our resident LOST expert!! luckily i watched w/ a coworker who had already seen it so she told us when to look for the shark's tattoo, but what did you mean that it's a "Chinese I-Ching Symbol", NylaBelle? I asked my Chinese coworker and she had no clue what I was talking about. When I saw it I just recognized it as the same symbol on Desmond's jumper and on all the food (except the candy bars... did anyone notice that?).

That little bit of info I got from another board and my morning radio show. I noticed that it was all over the food, on the shark (turns out it's also on the stuffed polar bear), desmonds jumpsuit, etc. I'll do some more research beyond that and see what I come up with.

so what i'm wondering is, why is it 108 minutes? who made that call? why not make it 108 days or why not make it 108 years??? then they wouldn't have to have someone down there resetting it so often. ugh, well i can't really think of anything else right now, i'm sure more will come to me...

Maybe it can't go longer than 108 minutes. Whatever it is. Maybe that wasn't someone's choice. I don't know. I'm sure we'll find out at some point.

scarlett · Marc Jacobs

NylaBelle wrote:

I thought that, too...but then Locke didn't know the answer and maybe he was disappointed b/c he realized that he wasn't 'him.' Then I think he just went into survival mode with Kate and that's where he's at now. Maybe disappointed and disillusioned. I actually felt bad for him last night.

I felt sorry for Locke, too. One reason this show is so great -- none of the characters are one dimensional. Sometimes Locke is almost ruthless in his determination to find things out and he ends up putting others in danger, basically sacrificing them, like with Boone and then Kate. And then at others I feel so sorry for him, and this desperation he has to find meaning and connection.

Where is the symbol on the shark and the bear? You have some sharp eyes!

kenzie · Chanel

scarlett wrote:

Where is the symbol on the shark and the bear? You have some sharp eyes!

I can't take credit for seeing it on the bear, but I did see it on the shark. There is a really brief shot of the shark swimming in front of the camera and you can see it on the underside of its tail. Someone posted a picture on another forum of the bear. I think it's on his tag. I have to rewatch it and see.

Bastet · Kate Spade

If Hurley is the next guard, do you think he would have known about the hatch?

Has anyone seen a cheesy Sci-Fi film called Cube? The basic premise is that a gov't agency started an experiment involving a giant cube structure w/ multiple rooms, each with some kind of nasty trap inside. People were kidnapped and placed in the cube to see how they tried to escape. The point of the film is that no one was in control of the experiment, it just started running itself because it got lost in the bureaucracy. Even the people who are controlling the traps and running the experiment are just subjects in the experiment themselves, but no one is in control, and no one knew about the Cube experiment except the people who were subjects.

Maybe the island is kind of like that. People are all subjects in the experiment. Desmond, the hatch, the Others, everyone. And no one is in control any more.

I hope Locke doesn't get shut down in the hatch!