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A Web of Faith, Law and Science in Evolution Suit By LAURIE GOODSTEIN

DOVER, Pa., Sept. 23 - Sheree Hied, a mother of five who believes that God created the earth and its creatures, was grateful when her school board here voted last year to require high school biology classes to hear about "alternatives" to evolution, including the theory known as intelligent design.


But 11 other parents in Dover were outraged enough to sue the school board and the district, contending that intelligent design - the idea that living organisms are so inexplicably complex, the best explanation is that a higher being designed them - is a Trojan horse for religion in the public schools.


With the new political empowerment of religious conservatives, challenges to evolution are popping up with greater frequency in schools, courts and legislatures. But the Dover case, which begins Monday in Federal District Court in Harrisburg, is the first direct challenge to a school district that has tried to mandate the teaching of intelligent design.


What happens here could influence communities across the country that are considering whether to teach intelligent design in the public schools, and the case, regardless of the verdict, could end up before the Supreme Court.


Dover, a rural, mostly blue-collar community of 22,000 that is 20 miles south of Harrisburg, had school board members willing to go to the mat over issue. But people here are well aware that they are only the excuse for a much larger showdown in the culture wars.


"It was just our school board making one small decision," Mrs. Hied said, "but it was just received with such an uproar."


For Mrs. Hied, a meter reader, and her husband, Michael, an office manager for a local bus and transport company, the Dover school board's argument - that teaching intelligent design is a free-speech issue - has a strong appeal.


"I think we as Americans, regardless of our beliefs, should be able to freely access information, because people fought and died for our freedoms," Mrs. Hied said over a family dinner last week at their home, where the front door is decorated with a small bell and a plaque proclaiming, "Let Freedom Ring."


But in a split-level house on the other side of Main Street, at a desk flanked by his university diplomas, Steven Stough was on the Internet late the other night, keeping track of every legal maneuver in the case. Mr. Stough, who teaches life science to seventh graders in a nearby district, is one of the 11 parents suing the Dover district. For him the notion of teaching "alternatives" to evolution is a hoax.


"You can dress up intelligent design and make it look like science, but it just doesn't pass muster," said Mr. Stough, a Republican whose idea of a fun family vacation is visiting fossil beds and natural history museums. "In science class, you don't say to the students, 'Is there gravity, or do you think we have rubber bands on our feet?' "


Evolution finds that life evolved over billions of years through the processes of mutation and natural selection, without the need for supernatural interventions. It is the foundation of biological science, with no credible challenges within the scientific community. Without it, the plaintiffs say, students could never make sense of topics as varied as AIDS and extinction.


Advocates on both sides of the issue have lined up behind the case, often calling it Scopes II, in reference to the 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial that was the last century's great face-off over evolution.


On the evolutionists' side is a legal team put together by the American Civil Liberties Union and Americans United for Separation of Church and State. These groups want to put intelligent design itself on trial and discredit it so thoroughly that no other school board would dare authorize teaching it.


Witold J. Walczak, legal director of the A.C.L.U. of Pennsylvania, said the plaintiffs would call six experts in history, theology, philosophy of science and science to show that no matter the perspective, "intelligent design is not science because it does not meet the ground rules of science, is not based on natural explanations, is not testable."


On the intelligent design side is the Thomas More Law Center, a nonprofit Christian law firm that says its mission is "to be the sword and shield for people of faith" in cases on abortion, school prayer and the Ten Commandments. The center was founded by Thomas Monaghan, the Domino's Pizza founder, a conservative Roman Catholic who also founded Ave Maria University and the Ave Maria School of Law; and by Richard Thompson, a former Michigan prosecutor who tried Dr. Jack Kevorkian for performing assisted suicides.


"This is an attempt by the A.C.L.U. to really intimidate this small-town school board," said Mr. Thompson, who will defend the Dover board at the trial, "because the theory of intelligent design is starting to gain some resonance among school boards across the country."


The defense plans to introduce leading design theorists like Michael J. Behe, a professor of biochemistry at Lehigh University, and education experts who will testify that "allowing students to be aware of the controversy is good pedagogy because it develops critical thinking," Mr. Thompson said.


The case, Kitzmiller et al v. Dover Area School District, will be decided by Judge John E. Jones III of the United States District Court, who was nominated by President Bush in 2002 and confirmed by a Senate vote of 96 to 0. The trial is expected to last six weeks and to draw news coverage from around the world.


The legal battle came to a head on Oct. 18 last year when the Dover school board voted 6 to 3 to require ninth-grade biology students to listen to a brief statement saying that there was a controversy over evolution, that intelligent design is a competing theory and that if they wanted to learn more the school library had the textbook "Of Pandas and People: the Central Question of Biological Origins." The book is published by an intelligent design advocacy group, the Foundation for Thought and Ethics, based in Texas.


Angry parents like Mr. Stough, Tammy Kitzmiller, and Bryan and Christy Rehm contacted the A.C.L.U. and Americans United. The 11 plaintiffs are a diverse group, unacquainted before the case, who say that parents, and not the school, should be in charge of their children's religious education.


Mr. Rehm, a father of five and a science teacher who formerly taught in Dover, said the school board had long been pressing science teachers to alter their evolution curriculum, even requiring teachers to watch a videotape about "gaps in evolution theory" during an in-service training day in the spring of 2004.


School board members were told by their lawyer, Mr. Thompson, not to talk to the news media. "We've told them, anything they say can be used against them," Mr. Thompson said.


The Supreme Court ruled in 1987 that teaching creation science in public schools was unconstitutional because it was based on religion. So the plaintiffs will try to prove that intelligent design is creationism in a new package. Richard Katskee, assistant legal director of Americans United, said the "Pandas" textbook only substituted references to "creationism" with "intelligent design" in more recent editions.


Mr. Thompson said his side would prove that intelligent design was not creationism because it did not mention God or the Bible and never posited the creator's identity.


"It's clear they are two different theories," Mr. Thompson said. "Creationism normally starts with the Holy Scripture, the Book of Genesis, then you develop a scientific theory that supports it, while intelligent design looks at the same kind of empirical data that any scientist looks at," and concludes that complex mechanisms in nature "appear designed because it is designed."


A twist in the case is that a leading proponent of intelligent design, the Discovery Institute, based in Seattle, removed one of its staff members from the Dover school board's witness list and opposed the board's action from the start.


"We thought it was a bad idea because we oppose any effort to require students to learn about intelligent design because we feel that it politicizes what should be a scientific debate," said John G. West, a senior fellow at the institute. However, Professor Behe, a fellow at the institute, is expected to be the board's star witness.


Parents in Dover appear to be evenly split on the issue. School board runoffs are in November, with seven candidates opposing the current policy facing seven incumbents. Among the candidates is Mr. Rehm, the former Dover science teacher and a plaintiff. He said opponents had slammed doors in his face when he campaigned and performed a "monkey dance" when he passed out literature at the recent firemen's fair.


But he agrees with parents on the other side that the fuss over evolution has obscured more pressing educational issues like school financing, low parent involvement and classes that still train students for factory jobs as local plants are closing.


"There's no way to have a winner here," Mr. Rehm said. "The community has already lost, period, by becoming so divided."



-- Edited by Irene at 12:18, 2005-10-11

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i didn't read the entire article, but i have to say that i don't think "intelligent design" has any place in public schools.  if you want your children to learn creationism, send them to religious school or teach them at home. 

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argh.  I think both should be taught.  But, this is coming from my own personal beliefs too.  I happen to think that spirituality and the like is important and goes hand in hand with education, but I went to private Catholic and Episcopalian schools, so I am biased and plan to sacrifice other material goods so that I can send my child to private school as well. 


I DO happen to understand that it's just almost unlawful and not to mention too hard/slightly unfair to minority religions and non-religions to teach any theory that is spiritually based in public schools.  I think that if parents want their kids to learn religion, they have two choices, either teach it themselves, or spend money to send your kid to private school.  I wouldn't expect this to be taught in public schools, even though I happen to think it would be nice.



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I was just about to post about this in Current Events. I don't mind teachers briefly explaining that the theory of evolution is controversial or conflicts with religious beliefs - heck there are even lots of disagreements about how evolution happens (punctuated equilibrium, etc.) - so long as they don't go into specifics about what the religious theories are since that should be taught in a religion class. Aside from the various scientific and separation of church and state problems the thing that bothers me is that creationism is very specific to certain religions since it is the literal interpretation of the Bible so the source is something that is only relevant to Jews and Christians. Intelligent design is a bit different but from what I've read it still seems to rely on the fact that there is one god so it not only excludes the beliefs of atheists but those of the many polytheistic faiths as well.

As lorelei said there are other options. People can either teach their children the creation theories of their religions at home or can send them to religious classes or can even send them to a private religious school.


The other thing that I just wanted to clear up (because it came up on another board) is that people seem to get confused and just lump all Christians together and think that they all have identical beliefs. There are tons of different denominations and while they all share the same basic beliefs there are differences too. The Roman Catholic Church, for example, does not subscribe to the creationist theory that the universe was created exactly the way it is described in the Bible. Instead they believe in guided evolution which does not reject the theory of evolution but simply says that God had some hand at some point in creation. So evolution is taught in science classes in parochial schools.

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i agree, cc, that it should be mentioned that the theory of evolution is controversial and that there are other theories out there, with a brief synopsis of creationism, intelligent design, whatever - but i don't think it should go beyond that.  not in public schools, i mean.

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It's not science, period. It's a pseudo-scientific argument for the existence of God (they can call it an intelligent designer, but we all know Who they mean). It has zero place in a science class because it is not science. I don't even think you can teach it in a religion class except as a variant of creationism (which is really what it is). But ID is pretending to go beyond religion, and that's what's dangerous. It pretends to be science and won't admit what it really is - it amounts to saying, "We don't know the answers, therefore a supreme being must have done it (and therefore a supreme being must exist)." Period.

This commentary by (my intellectual crush) Hendrik Hertzberg in the New Yorker pretty much says it all for me...

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050822ta_talk_hertzberg

Also new (and actually scienctific!) research seems more to support evolution than to refute it, as in this article in the Washington Post - "New Analyses Bolster Central Tenets of Evolution Theory"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/25/AR2005092501177.html





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dc wrote:


It's not science, period. It's a pseudo-scientific argument for the existence of God (they can call it an intelligent designer, but we all know Who they mean). It has zero place in a science class because it is not science.


Yeah, that's the crux of it for me. I think creationism--"intelligent design" is a bogus PC smoke screen--should be taught in religion classes in the context of theology, because that is the logical place to present alternative viewpoints on such topics as the origin of the world, etc., and I believe that people of all faiths, as well as people without faith, benefit from learning about the beliefs of others. But it's not a "scientific debate," because that implies that there is controversy within the scientific community, which is not even remotely the case. Those who refute the theory of evolution do so on religious grounds. I mean, just look at what the article says:


On the intelligent design side is the Thomas More Law Center, a nonprofit Christian law firm that says its mission is "to be the sword and shield for people of faith" in cases on abortion, school prayer and the Ten Commandments. The center was founded by Thomas Monaghan, the Domino's Pizza founder, a conservative Roman Catholic who also founded Ave Maria University and the Ave Maria School of Law; and by Richard Thompson, a former Michigan prosecutor who tried Dr. Jack Kevorkian for performing assisted suicides.


There is a rather glaring lack of prominent scientists coming forward to support intelligent design. How can you pretend that the issue is not about religion, when everyone who backs it does so because of their religious beliefs?



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it seems like it becomes a fine line to leap to nonreligious discussions taken away from schools. are they going to say in sex ed that babies are brought from storks?

sorry, completely related, but religion has no place in schools. i agree with the sentiments that if you want your child to learn creationism/"id" then they should be sent to parochial schools.

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Religion absolutely must be taught in schools.  Students must learn aspects between different religions so as to help provide an understanding of different people. Not teaching them gives way to ignorance.


Teachng creationism however does no belong in science class because, as DC stated, it is not science. I would prefer it be taught in a religion class that discusses the beliefs of Christianity.  Maybe schools should implement a semester of religious study where they can learn the details of the largest and most popular religions (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism).  It is important for todays kids to learn about world culture and not just "american" culture and a very large part of that is religion.


But if parents want their children to learn only one religion, then they should send their child to a school that does just that.


Did any of what I just wrote make sense?



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Religion absolutely must be taught in schools.  Students must learn aspects between different religions so as to help provide an understanding of different people. Not teaching them gives way to ignorance. Teachng creationism however does no belong in science class because, as DC stated, it is not science. I would prefer it be taught in a religion class that discusses the beliefs of Christianity.  Maybe schools should implement a semester of religious study where they can learn the details of the largest and most popular religions (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism).  It is important for todays kids to learn about world culture and not just "american" culture and a very large part of that is religion. But if parents want their children to learn only one religion, then they should send their child to a school that does just that. Did any of what I just wrote make sense?-- Edited by Irene at 08:39, 2005-09-27


I actually agree with this. I went to Catholic school, but took a semester of "World Religions" where we learned the basic beliefs of Islam, Buddhism, etc (not Judaism, since that was covered the year we spent learning about the Old Testament). It was a great class and really helped us to get an understanding of what other people think and where they are coming from when they have a belief about something that is different from what we had been taught. It was great in helping us understand (and tolerate) diversity. 


It would be cool if this were offered in public schools as an elective maybe. Or if it was integrated into social studies classes... And you could always have an "opt out" option like they give you with sex-ed...


That being said, creationism should NOT be taught as science or fact. If they feel the need to bring it up, it should be addressed in the context of "this is one thing that some people believe"



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Haha, I basically wrote the same thing as ILoveChoo but I would like to know if anyone knows of public schools having a world religions class.


Irene wrote:


Religion absolutely must be taught in schools. Students must learn aspects between different religions so as to help provide an understanding of different people. Not teaching them gives way to ignorance.  




I agree with this and I was actually going to ask about this before. I was wondering if public schools ever teach world religions at the high school level? If not are religions covered in history class? Obviously religious events that are important in European and American history must come up but are religions like Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism taught in world history? I never even thought about this until yesterday because we had an entire year of world religions in my Catholic h.s. but are public school kids not getting any education in the major religions of the world? I object to the creationism and the intelligent design because it imposes the beliefs of a select group but if public schools taught a class on world religions I don't see how that could be a violation of the separation of church and state since it would sort of be like a history class. Does anyone else have thoughts on this?

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ILoveChoo wrote:


Irene wrote: Religion absolutely must be taught in schools.  Students must learn aspects between different religions so as to help provide an understanding of different people. Not teaching them gives way to ignorance. Teachng creationism however does no belong in science class because, as DC stated, it is not science. I would prefer it be taught in a religion class that discusses the beliefs of Christianity.  Maybe schools should implement a semester of religious study where they can learn the details of the largest and most popular religions (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism).  It is important for todays kids to learn about world culture and not just "american" culture and a very large part of that is religion. But if parents want their children to learn only one religion, then they should send their child to a school that does just that. Did any of what I just wrote make sense?-- Edited by Irene at 08:39, 2005-09-27 I actually agree with this. I went to Catholic school, but took a semester of "World Religions" where we learned the basic beliefs of Islam, Buddhism, etc (not Judaism, since that was covered the year we spent learning about the Old Testament). It was a great class and really helped us to get an understanding of what other people think and where they are coming from when they have a belief about something that is different from what we had been taught. It was great in helping us understand (and tolerate) diversity.  It would be cool if this were offered in public schools as an elective maybe. Or if it was integrated into social studies classes... And you could always have an "opt out" option like they give you with sex-ed... That being said, creationism should NOT be taught as science or fact. If they feel the need to bring it up, it should be addressed in the context of "this is one thing that some people believe"

i actually disagree. i don't object to religion classes being offered as electives (though i'm hesitant to completely advocate it either), but i really don't think religion should be incorporated into regular curriculum at public. i think it's great to want to teach kids about other cultures, teaching them about different religions isn't really going to accomplish that. religion is just one aspect of culture, and each culture interprets its religious beliefs differently, so simply studying the tenets of islam isn't really going to offer much insight on all the cultures around the world that practice that religion. and that's not even factoring in the cultures that don't adhere to any particular religious belief at all.

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I think that religion does need to be taught in schools.  I think it's important to have a well-rounded education and develop an understanding of the world outside of yourself, not just at the college level, but at the high school level and teaching religion is one of the ways to accomplish that. 


And even if there isn't a religion class, how can one teach history or sociology without discussion of religion?  It's impossible.  To study past cultures and omit their religious beliefs isn't giving students a complete picture. 


That said, I don't necessarily believe that 'intelligent design' should be taught in science class b/c it's not really based on science.  Evolution, whether one chooses to believe it or not has more basis on scientifc research (notice I did not say fact) than intelligent design. The essence of intelligent design is religion; the essence of evolution is science. I do believe that intelligent design needs to be presented, but not necessarily in a science class.



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And even if there isn't a religion class, how can one teach history or sociology without discussion of religion?  It's impossible.  To study past cultures and omit their religious beliefs isn't giving students a complete picture.

This is exactly my point. History, Sociology, Anthropology, and many others...anything to do with culture cannot be done so without religion of some sort.

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I think that religion does need to be taught in schools.  I
And even if there isn't a religion class, how can one teach history or sociology without discussion of religion?  It's impossible.  To study past cultures and omit their religious beliefs isn't giving students a complete picture.  .




That was my thinking as well. First of all, it sort of horrifies me to think that children are coming out of schools with little to no knowledge of world religions. Sure it can be taken in college but how many kids don't go to college and how many don't elect to take a world religion class? Secondly, there is no way to completely purge the curriculum of mentions of religion unless one wants to stop teaching history. I guess I see the teaching of world religions as a way to balance things out. I'm assuming that the bulk of the curriculum is still US and European history and so much of that history involves Christianity. But in world history there is so much material to cover that it seems like it would be difficult to spend much time explaining about other non-Western religions so kids are winding up with much more exposure to one religion and so little to others. I guess I figured since they're learning about at least one religion in history class, they might as well be learning about a lot of other religions in a class that can exclusively focus on that topic.

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nyla -- i'm not saying that religion should be omitted, obvs if a certain religion is dominant in a culture that should be mentioned. but i don't think that religious instruction in and of itself is a good tool for developing a deeper understanding of a particular culture. christianity is, arguably, the main religion in america, but there are so many variations of christianity (catholic, baptist, pentecostal, etc) that i just don't see how learning about christianity offers any real insight into american culture. even more important (at least to me) is that fact that this sort of broad overview of religion can lead to misunderstandings (isn't there a saying along the lines of a "little" knowledge is a dangerous thing -- emphasis on little). most religions are extremely complex and their beliefs can't reallly be distilled into bullet points. islam is a good example of this b/c a  lot of people just think islam is about jihad which it's not (i'm not even sure jihad is in the koran, but then again i've never studied islam). i feel like this whole glossy overview would do more harm than good. 

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honey - aren't lots of the variations of Christianity already being mentioned in history classes though. The Great Schism, the Reformation, the founding of America - all major events that involve different denominations of Christianity. We covered all of these in history class and even though I went to Catholic school it's not like we had special history textbooks for Christians.

Also I guess I was thinking that a world religions class would be something that lasted for at least a semester so I don't know how glossy the overview would be. Like obviously the students would come out knowing that Islam isn't just about jihad if they had spent some time reading and writing papers about it. I don't necessarily think it has to be a separate class but it just struck me easier to have it that way rather than trying to cram everything into history class, where things are truly going to be glossed over. I remember my world history book just had little one-page blurbs about Islam, Buddhism etc. in the sections on Asian history but we went into much more detail in our world religions class.


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 i feel like this whole glossy overview would do more harm than good. 



Many things taught at the high school level are taught in this manner.  It's in college that you really delve deeper into a particular subject. For example, one might take English Lit in high school, but then take a Shakespeare class in college.  Or one might take American History in highschool and take a class on the Civil War in college.  Or a World History class in high school, but in college you may take a class specifically focusing on Egyptian History.  Granted these are just examples, and some high schools do offer these electives, but not every student takes them. I actually took Shakespeare in high school (but that's not the point). Not every student takes these kinds of classes. What about the students who don't take college prep or AP? Who go to vo-tech?


High School many times is a glossy overview of several topics.  You only get the tip of the iceberg in high school.  But that doesn't mean those things shouldn't be taught.  My point is, where is the line drawn? At what point does 'little' knowledge become dangerous?  There are so many classes where only 'little' knowledge is received when one is in high school that to say this subject or that subject should be omitted b/c it's dangerous is dangerous in itself. 



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Before I post my opinion, I do not want anyone to get offended, this is simply, my thought on the matter:

If you are teaching a Biology Class that discusses why we are here, then I think creationism and other theories should be mentioned. They go hand in hand. The argument is that a nonreligious student will get offended by hearing about something they don't believe in, therefore religion is said to be "pushed" onto students. You have to look at the other side of the spectrum, where if evolution is being discussed, the RELIGIOUS student may get offended, and this idea is then "pushed" onto religious students.

Essentially talking about one theory over another is bound to upset both types of people, therefore, various theories should be presented, albeit briefly, but presented nonetheless.

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honey - aren't lots of the variations of Christianity already being mentioned in history classes though. The Great Schism, the Reformation, the founding of America - all major events that involve different denominations of Christianity. We covered all of these in history class and even though I went to Catholic school it's not like we had special history textbooks for Christians. Also I guess I was thinking that a world religions class would be something that lasted for at least a semester so I don't know how glossy the overview would be. Like obviously the students would come out knowing that Islam isn't just about jihad if they had spent some time reading and writing papers about it. I don't necessarily think it has to be a separate class but it just struck me easier to have it that way rather than trying to cram everything into history class, where things are truly going to be glossed over. I remember my world history book just had little one-page blurbs about Islam, Buddhism etc. in the sections on Asian history but we went into much more detail in our world religions class. I don't know, maybe it's just because I live in a major multi-cultural city but I can't imagine going through life without the knowledge of world religions that I learned in school. It just seems like a basic thing that people should have some knowledge about.


(i just polled my co-workers before i responded b/c my history knowledge is a little rusty -- it's amazing the ways i find to waste time at work). i guess it's an issue of interpretation. i learned about the reformation (couldn't remember if it was in parochial or regular school, hence the poll) and of course the founding of america (i'm not familiar with the great schism) during history class because they are huge events. however i don't necessarily think learning about those events is akin to learning about christianity. when we learned about them it was from a secular standpoint, and didn't really delve into the ideological importance of these events.


i guess when we discuss the idea of learning religion my mind immediately jumps to discussions of the ideological underpinnings of the religion, not the history of it to date. so learning about christianity would be learning about the spiritual significance of jesus, mary, etc. and i see that as problematic b/c even within modern christianity there are disagreements over their meaning. and while i don't doubt the value of learning about various religions (from a historical or ideological perspective) i don't necessarily think that religious instruction is the best way to create more well-rounded students. i think the same goal can be accomplished through having a class/classes where students explore different cultures by studying their history (which could include religion to the extent that religious beliefs/religious events played a role in shaping that history), literature, music, politics, etc. as opposed to just studying religion. 



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