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sage · Dooney & Bourke

Lost....

kenzie · Chanel

Holy crap!!! I'm still processing all of it, so I'm sure I'll have more to post tomorrow. I recorded it and I'll watch it again. The hatch! Desmond! Holy crap! I really don't have anything intelligent at the moment, other than I think I fell in love with Jack Sheppard after seeing the backstory from this episode.

I'll post later after I watch it again.

NCshopper · Hermes

Aaaaaaaaaaaaah! Creeeeeeeeeeeeepy!!!!

I'm so freaking confused now!!! But I do think that it is very clear the whole faith vs. science thing is getting laid out for us. The whole thing with Walt coming back dripping creeped me the hell out, but I don't think Shannon was imagining it, I think they brought him back to the island. I can't wait to see what happens to the other guys on the raft.

But the thing that's getting me was the ending! What the hell was that guy doing on the same island as Jack?!?!?!?!?!? Also, I wonder what the siginificance was with the number 108 that was graffiti-ed on the hallway in the hatch. And I'm still wondering why it was quarantined. Basically, I have a whole lot of questions right now, and no answers.

I'm so thoroughly confused! That was such a great episode though. I'm going to have to stew on it over night though and see what I start thinking and do some reading online about it.

sage · Dooney & Bourke

The crying!! Eeeeeh. I thought it might be Desmond in the hatch, after he said "See you in another life" That was in-your-face foreshadowing, not subtle at all. I nearly had 4 heart attacks when Jack was going in to the hatch. At the beginning it was bizarre, this person who looks like they are living in the 70's and then you realize they are in the hatch. Cool. Seriously, I was really stressed out with the whole hatch exploration. Wheew. Can't wait to read your take on it tomorrow, NYLABelle!! And everyone else too!! Glad the show is back.

kenzie · Chanel

sage wrote:

The crying!! Eeeeeh. I thought it might be Desmond in the hatch, after he said "See you in another life" That was in-your-face foreshadowing, not subtle at all. I nearly had 4 heart attacks when Jack was going in to the hatch. At the beginning it was bizarre, this person who looks like they are living in the 70's and then you realize they are in the hatch. Cool. Seriously, I was really stressed out with the whole hatch exploration. Wheew. Can't wait to read your take on it tomorrow, NYLABelle!! And everyone else too!! Glad the show is back.

Hehe...I will need to watch it again to be more coherent. But as soon as Desmond popped up when Jack was running, I thought something was weird about him. And then he started talking about miracles and obviously, Sarah was healed by a miracle b/c Jack clearly said that her spinal cord was not fixed. And the see you in another life thing. And he said he was a doctor or almost a doctor. This is all just bizarre. Like I said, I have to watch again. Maybe I'll do that now, so I can better participate and contribute to the discussion tomorrow.

kenzie · Chanel

Alright, I'm slightly more coherent now. I haven't watched it again, but the morning radio show that I listen to devotes at least 45 minutes of the show on Thursday mornings to Lost discussion. So...here's what I've noticed so far.

I stand by my faith/science theory, but then there is also a third spoke in the wheel here- Hurley, who believes that everything was just bad luck. So we have faith, science and luck.
In Jack's flashback during the initial hospital scene where Sarah is wheeled in and the other driver is wheeled in, they say that the name of the other driver (who was in his late 50's) is Adam Rutherford. Shannon's last name is Rutherford and we know that her father died. So, there is a possible Jack/Shannon connection.
The number 108 that was inside the hatch...4+8+15+16+23+42=108
When Shannon sees Walt, he is whispering something incoherent. The radio show I listen to played that clip backwards and it sounded like he was saying, 'Press the button. No button is bad' but it was still hard to tell.
Locke is convinced that everyone was brought to the island for a reason (man of faith), Jack disagrees (man of science), however, the incident with Desmond (who has obviously been in the hatch for quite some time given the computer and records) is one of the reasons that Jack is on the island. The reason is still unclear. The 'quarantine' sign on the hatch wasn't on the outside. It was on the inside, which seems to indicate that the island was quarantined and the person inside was there to keep from catching whatever was on the island (back to Rousseau and her crew's 'sickness').
The song playing at the beginning, 'Make your Own Kind of Music,' is significant in some way, I'm just not sure how.

Okay, that's what I've got so far, but after I rewatch, I'll get more.

ETA: In some way the island has called all of them there. I think that we'll see more flashbacks where Desmond pops up in the other Lostees lives. He's important.

-- Edited by NylaBelle at 09:46, 2005-09-22

NCshopper · Hermes

Ooooh! I totally didn't get the Adam Rutherford/Shannon Rutherford connection at all! Crazy!

I think I need to start taping the shows now so I can rewatch them and get more out of it. I love how I always wake up Thursday mornings thinking about what happened on the show the night before and I spend so much of the day trying to piece things together.

And good point about Quarantine being on the inside! I didn't think about that! And I definitely agree that song means something, because I doubt they would have just picked a random song like that, especially in a show that has virtually no music. I can't figure out what it means either.

kenzie · Chanel

Here's another one:

Adam Rutherford's time of death was 8:15 am; the plane that crashed was Oceanic Flight 815 (which is also part of the number sequence).

ETA: The button that Walt is referring to could be the computer keyboard that Jack almost touched when Locke said, "I wouldn't do that" near the end of the episode.

-- Edited by NylaBelle at 09:48, 2005-09-22

kenzie · Chanel

I ripped this off from the theory boards at www.oceanicflight815.com:

"What We Know from S2 Premier:

NUMBERS:

The bottle with the drugs that Desmond injected into his arm reads CR 4 8 15 16 23 42.

The last number Desmond turns the safe combination to is 42.

The driver of the SUV was pronounced dead at 8:15AM.

I saw some numbers on the wall of the tunnel someone help me out here.

CHARACTERS:

Desmond is the name of the guy in the hatch and he knew Jack years before, first meeting him when they were both running up and down stairs at a stadium. Something not so good happened between them at some point.

Adam Rutherford, age 57, was the man driving the SUV that Sarah(Jack's patienet and future wife). Most likely he is Shannon's father because sometime last season we learned he died(I'm thinking it was Hearst and Minds, 1x13)

Hurley really was a patient in the same psych ward with Lenny."
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laken1 · Hermes

I'm so confused to! I watched it twice because my hubby wasn't home & i tivoed it - i didn't realize that was Desmond at the end the first time - i'm so dim sometimes! I can't wait to see what happens next week, but i must admit, i'm kind of aggrivated. I thought they said lots of questions would be answered this week. UH, not!!!!! Maybe next week....

kenzie · Chanel

laken1 wrote:

I'm so confused to! I watched it twice because my hubby wasn't home & i tivoed it - i didn't realize that was Desmond at the end the first time - i'm so dim sometimes! I can't wait to see what happens next week, but i must admit, i'm kind of aggrivated. I thought they said lots of questions would be answered this week. UH, not!!!!! Maybe next week....

Hehe. For every question they answer, they'll create about 10 more. The only question they answered last night was what and who (sort of), but we still don't know the how, why and when of all of it. And of course, there are so many more questions beyond those basics. I love it! It's such a great mind bender.

Tati · Chanel

Where's Kate?

kenzie · Chanel

Tati wrote:

Where's Kate?

We don't know. All we know is that she went down the hatch. And Locke said, "everything's fine" or something like that. Obviously, everything is not fine, but hopefully, we'll find out next week!

In the previews, they said, 'next week, the fate of all the survivors will be revealed!' Crazy! I can't wait!

bumblebee · Coach

what was desmond shooting himself up with at the beginning? at first i thought it was some old-fashioned insulin delivery-method, but he shot it into his shoulder, not his stomach, which is where insulin usually goes.

also, since he has so much of it in that cabinet, and he's obviously got fresh fruits and food, he either does leave the hatch or someone brings him supplies.

he so seemed like a good-guy when jack encountered him in the stadium. do we think that he is actually evil? or maybe he still is a good guy and he is going to try and protect them from "the others." he is irish, correct (based on the accent)? so are we to assume that he is not part of rousseau's group (they were all french, right?)?

he also said to jack that he was "getting ready for a race around the world," so it's a good bet that he got shipwrecked on that island somehow, as well. but now that i think about it, it appears that he has been in the hatch since some time in the early 80s (based on retro computer, exercise bike, records, etc.), but that conversation with jack in the stadium seems to have happened more recently than that (ie. they used the term "SUV" in the hospital, which wasn't a commonly-used word at least until the early 90s). maybe someone else abandoned the hatch and when desmond got marooned on the island, he found it and took it over?

-- Edited by bumblebee at 12:57, 2005-09-22

mikacat · Coach

NylaBelle wrote:

Hurley really was a patient in the same psych ward with Lenny."---

WHo is Lenny?

thanks

tri_sarah_tops · Marc Jacobs

Mikacat, Lenny is the guy in the psych ward who gave Hurley the numbers. HTH!

sfclinevandy · Coach

I just got on the Lost Bandwagon this summer and I LOVE this show. I thought last night was amazing. Here are my thoughts

*During the intro shot of somone working out with 1980s vibe, I initially thought it was a flashback of Locke pre-accident. Yeah, I was wrong.

*When Jack initally encountered Desmond at the stadium, before he left he gave him the advice, "you have to lift it up." He made it seem like he was talking about Jack's ankle but it seemed VERY cryptic to me.

*Also, this may be a dumb question, but do we know what happened to Sarah? In Austrailia and on the plane, did he have on his wedding rings. My theory is that something happened to her (most likely death) and that may have triggered him getting his tattoos.

Farrah · Marc Jacobs

bumblebee wrote:

what was desmond shooting himself up with at the beginning? at first i thought it was some old-fashioned insulin delivery-method, but he shot it into his shoulder, not his stomach, which is where insulin usually goes.

My bf said that was what a lot of steroid injections look exactly like which would go along w/ the exercise and protein shake.

kenzie · Chanel

sfclinevandy...

I definitely agree that 'lift it up' has a huge significance and was foreshadowing something.

Jack wasn't married when he was in Australia. In the finale last season when he was talking to Ana Lucia (Michelle Rodriguez) he said that he wasn't married, 'not anymore.' He wasn't wearing a ring b/c she specifically asked him about it. We don't know anymore than that. Just that yes, he was married to Sarah, but he's not anymore. We don't know what happened in the interim.

bumblebee...

what was desmond shooting himself up with at the beginning? We aren't sure, but maybe an antibody for whatever Rousseau's crew died of. Also, the numbers were printed on the bottle. ETA: as Farrah said, steroids are possible to (maybe mixed with an antibody or something).

-- Edited by NylaBelle at 13:48, 2005-09-22

kenzie · Chanel

Here are two more posts from the Lost forums. I thought this was a good and interesting point.

"Desmond's "Apartment" - Before and After entry on: Sep 22 @ 01:36 AM

I have been reading a lot about what's down the shaft on here. I have been waiting to hear something about Desmond's apartment, but I have been surprised (or I have somehow missed it).

This isnt about the daylight/night time discussion, or the age of the appliances in the apartment, etc.

BUT, did anyone notice that the apartment shown at the very beginning is most definately not the same apartment shown at the end? In the beginning it was colorful and slightly homey (despite the fact that it was an underground pit). There were bunk beds, a kitchen, bookshelves full of records, pictures on the walls, etc.

When Jack went in it was completely different; dark, dank, the computer was on a dinky table rather than a desk, the record player was a big projector/wheely thing, etc.

The confusing part though, is that from the beginning to the end is only a few hours, not enough time to redo the space...

SO... Here's the question... Is it possible that we originally saw the apartment from Desmond's eyes, and perhaps he is for some reason seeing things that arent there? Is he hallucinating?"

REPLY:
I am glad you brought that up, cuz i have been thinking about that.

I dont think the place in the beginning and the place at the end are the same at all. I think in the beginning we are seeing Desmonds first "flashback"

I may be wrong but i recall in the openeing, his place had a window, with blinds, and sunlight coming from behind them.

Thats not possible in the end sequence when the survivors are down there.

Perhaps they are showing how Desmonds project began, many years ago. As something he worked on out of his home, when it was in the concept stages, and then at the end in its full implementation. after his project has been put into action by the military or whoever made his work a reality... "

I think these are very important points. It's almost as if Jack and Desmond overlapped with their flashbacks in this episode (if in fact, the first scene was a flashback, which I think is highly likely). The only thing that blows holes in this theory is that at the end of the scene what appears to be Jack, Locke, Kate and Hurley blowing up the hatch is shown. Of course, that could all be an assumption and that wasn't actually what happened in that scene.

I warned you all that I'm a freak about this show.

-- Edited by NylaBelle at 13:55, 2005-09-22