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Food or LV Bag???


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Profiteering ghouls have been using debit cards distributed in the wake of Hurricane Katrina - intended to buy essentials for evacuated families - in luxury-goods stores as far away as Atlanta.



"We've seen three of the cards," said a senior employee of the Louis Vuitton store at the Lenox Square Mall in affluent Buckhead, who asked not to be named. "Two I'm certain have purchased; one actually asked if she could use it in the store. This has been since Saturday."


The distinctive white cards were distributed by the Red Cross and the Federal Emergency Management Agency and carry a value of up to $2,000.


"It doesn't say anything on the card other than alcohol, tobacco and firearms cannot be purchased with it," the store employee told me. "There's nothing legally that prevents us from taking it, unfortunately. Other than morally, it's wrong."


The source told me that the two women who had made purchases with the card each bought a signature monogrammed Louis Vuitton handbag in the $800 range.


"They didn't look destitute by any stretch. You would never have said, 'They must be one of the evacuees.' … The one that I dealt with yesterday was 20. She'll be 21 next month." The source described the reaction of other store-keepers in the mall - which includes luxury brands Ferragamo, Burberry, Judith Leiber and Neiman Marcus - as "outrage."


"It doesn't say anywhere on there, but it would have to be a good amount to be shopping in here," the source said with a dark chuckle


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/345032p-294601c.html



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I read this and it made me so angry. Not that it's a big deal, but I decided to donate instead of buy a coat that I wanted. I thought that food and shelter for others was more important. I wasn't hoping someone would get a hot new bag and I'm extremely mad that it has happened. I will not be donating to the Red Cross again if they are being so casual about where money goes. Not only am I upset that my money is beng wasted, but that's less resources that can be used for people who actually need it. On the other hand, I haven't read about this anywhere else so it may or may not be completely true.

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Jeez, is that true? Do you think they're actual evacuees or profiteers?

edit: never mind my silly poll (which I deleted)

-- Edited by dc at 22:50, 2005-09-12

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How did they decide who gets these debit cards?  Was it every evacuee?



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Here's an article abt the debit cards...


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050909/ap_on_re_us/katrina_debit_cards_hk4_2


It was supposed to be a innovative way of distributing aid but apparently not too well planned. They decided to discontinue the plan as of Sept 9...


Some sneaky fingers must have gotten a hold of the cards for their own shopping purposes



-- Edited by kahluamilk at 22:46, 2005-09-12

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dc wrote:


Jeez, is that true? Do you think they're actual evacuees or profiteers? Ok, poll - if you worked at that LV store (or any luxury goods store), would you refuse it? Or would you figure they deserve it after what they've been through and you're not going to judge?


I don't know... would evacuees who've lost everything really be buying LV bags? If so, that's sad. And another example of tragedy bringing out the worst in people.


Poll - I would, without question, refuse it. Fire me, whatever. I don't care. And if I could do anything to stop anyone else in the store from taking the card, I'd do that too. If I couldn't, I'd take a picture of the person, get their name and send it to some media outlet exposing them. They'd deserve it.



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eta for clarity


for the most part it doesn't bother me that evacuees are using their debit cards for lv purses or other "ridiculous" items. (obvs i'm bothered by this if the cards are stolen,etc.)  the way i see it, if you've lost everything $2K is not really going to do much in the way of replacing it, or even giving you a good base for starting your life over. i could be wrong, but i'd be surprised if $2K were enough to cover the costs of getting an apt. (1st month, last month, and security) let alone moving costs, furnishing the apt. etc. and that's the maximum amount you'd get according to the article. not that an lv is going to make things better, but i understand the feeling associated with getting something you've always wanted even if it's a frivolous item. so if an lv brings a bit of joy into someone's life, then you know whatever. maybe that's a naive line of thinking...


also for what it's worth i'd take the article with a grain of salt. i saw it yesterday morning (gawker linked to it) but decided not to post it mainly b/c the article is from the ny new's daily dish -- a gossip column.



-- Edited by honey at 10:11, 2005-09-13

-- Edited by honey at 11:17, 2005-09-13

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As soon as i heard about the program the first thing I thought was "theft" - i mean, the temptation is just too great to snag a few cards from some folks & have quite a pile of money. Particularly when I keep hearing the arguement of people stealing vehicles & such that "they are desparate, what are they supposed to do" (in general conversation with stupid people, not here) - I would be a little scared carrying $2,000 on a debit card around in an arena with a bunch of other people who know I have it. My second thought was "who is to say they won't buy a Louis Vuitton bag" - hmmm...psychic perhaps???

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It's possible that the cards could have been stolen or perhaps been obtained by people who don't really need them but I also don't doubt the fact that there are some evacuees who are using the cards for non-essentials. I've known people who have done similar seemingly irresponsible things, who spent money on jewelry when they had collection agencies calling them at work all day long and were late on their children's tuition payment, who went out drinking when they barely had enough money to pay rent.
I think it was dc who made the point earlier that the hurricane didn't turn people into saints. If the goverment really wanted people to only use these cards for essentials they should have put more restrictions on them.

The bad thing about this is that since a lot of the evacuees were supposedly already on public assistance I think it could be held up by those who are opposed to things like the welfare as an example of how the system makes people lazy, irresponsible, etc. because they have become used to the fact that the government (or someone) will always take care of them to a certain extent.

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i'm with maddie--i sacrificed this month when my own money was tight because i thought it was more important to donate to the red cross to help people who have less than i do.  if people are stealing the debit cards from people who need them in order to eat, that really makes me upset.  a louis vuitton bag is not an essential for anyone. 

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honey wrote:


eta for clarity for the most part it doesn't bother me that evacuees are using their debit cards for lv purses or other "ridiculous" items. (obvs i'm bothered by this if the cards are stolen,etc.)  the way i see it, if you've lost everything $2K is not really going to do much in the way of replacing it, or even giving you a good base for starting your life over. i could be wrong, but i'd be surprised if $2K were enough to cover the costs of getting an apt. (1st month, last month, and security) let alone moving costs, furnishing the apt. etc. and that's the maximum amount you'd get according to the article. not that an lv is going to make things better, but i understand the feeling associated with getting something you've always wanted even if it's a frivolous item. so if an lv brings a bit of joy into someone's life, then you know whatever. maybe that's a naive line of thinking... also for what it's worth i'd take the article with a grain of salt. i saw it yesterday morning (gawker linked to it) but decided not to post it mainly b/c the article is from the ny new's daily dish -- a gossip column.-- Edited by honey at 10:11, 2005-09-13 -- Edited by honey at 11:17, 2005-09-13



I agree that it doesn't bother me either. I highly doubt that people who are starving with no place to live are at the lv store buying bags.  If there are some, these people may have money that they can get to in bank accounts and aren't really suffering like the people we see on tv.  I dont have a problem with them going to buy something for themselves if they want, especially if they lost their house and all their belongings and have to start all over.  They also reported that the cards are no longer being distributed because it was all disorganized(i'm shocked) which lead to alot of theft. 


To everyone who said they would never donate again, just think of all the people who may have benefited from your donation.  You know your intentions when you sent that money so be proud of what you did and dont let a few bad people(if this is all true) make the good ones suffer.



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Well, I feel that if you are given a $2000 debit card, you should be able to spend it any way you want.  The fault is really with the government if they were handing these out indiscriminitely.  They should have put more restrictions on them if they didn't want people using them to buy LV bags.  They could have specified that the card was for food, shelter, medicines, and bath products only (and other necessities), but they didn't.  It could be argued that the people who didn't really need the money should have turned it down or passed it off to someone that did need it.  People react differently to tragedy.  Some altruistic people probably did turn them down or give them to someone else, but some probably felt that after losing their home and possessions (and maybe feeling that they were let down by their government), that they still deserved the money and by buying the LV bag, they were buying themselves some sort of temporary happiness.  As long as they don't come back asking for more spending money when the $2000 is gone, I don't really care what they spend it on.


Also, I think a lot of people are indirectly doing what this article says.  By this, I mean, they have enough money in the bank to cover their expenses, but they use the debit card for necessities, leaving enough of their own money free to buy a LV bag.  However, nobody would look down on these people because they aren't directly using the debit card to buy the bag.  But they are really doing the same thing, no?



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It's not just LV bags - We had a group of 150 victims staying at an old air force base about 3 blocks from my home.  After being given their $2,000 debit cards, a large group of them headed to the local bar and spent the entirety of their 'relief' money on alcohol.  They then started a bar fight, were thrown out, and returned to the base to continue their fighting.  The police had to be called, and the Red Cross has since withdrawn all services from the base. 

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i heard on the news that the only specific exclusions to the debit cards were alcohol and firearms.  was that not true?

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If this story is not false, it sure angers me.  There are people who donate to the Red Cross who are not well off and can't afford designer things but decided to put off perhaps their clothing and entertainment budget to help somebody who needs to buy new clothes or have a hotel to stay at instead of staying at some nasty  shelter with a bunch of strangers.   Some may think a small amount of people spending their debit cards friviously is no big deal, but this may have an impact on decisions people have to donate to the Red Cross that would help families in REAL need.

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