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NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana -- Martial Law has been declared in New Orleans as conditions continued to deteriorate. Water levels in The Big Easy and it's suburbs are rising at dangerous levels and officials stated they don't know where the water is coming from. Residents are being urged to get out of New Orleans in any way they can as officials fear "life will be unsustainable" for days or even weeks.

Gulf Coast residents were staggered by the body-blow inflicted by Hurricane Katrina, with more than a million people sweltering without power, miles of lowlands under water and unconfirmed reports of as many 80 people dead in Mississippi alone.

"We heard one report of 30 dead at just one apartment complex on the beach in Biloxi," said CBS News Correspondent Jim Acosta. Much of the devastation is being blamed on a storm surge.

"It's not like when you see big tornadoes or hurricane force winds come through and the house is blown away," said Acosta. "A storm surge rises up to the house and clears out everything in its path, moving furniture and cars around."

The Ohio Valley could see severe flooding from Katrina Tuesday.

"Katrina is now moving to the north," said CBS News Hurricane Analyst Bryan Norcross. "It is a tropical storm now moving into Tennessee. But the big rain event today is going to be in the Ohio Valley, all the way from Missouri on up to Louisville towards Cincinnati and then it will spread through the northeast."

Even with Katrina swirling away to the north, two different levee breaches in New Orleans sent a churning sea of water coursing through city streets.

Col. Rich Wagenaar of the Army Corps of Engineers, said a breach in the eastern part of the city was causing flooding and "significant evacuations" in Orleans and St. Bernard parishes. He did not know how many people were affected by the flooding.

Authorities also were gathering information on a levee breach in the western part of New Orleans. Jason Binet, of the Army Corps of Engineers, said that breach began Monday afternoon and may have grown overnight.

Emergency personnel faced flooding problems of their own.

"We had a 30-foot rise from the bay, which came into the building, about 12-foot high," Capt. Houston Dorr of the Mississippi Highway Patrol, based in Biloxi, said on CBS News' The Early Show. "It never got to the second floor but we were on our way up to the third floor if it came in higher."

Dorr told co-anchor Harry Smith the patrol did what it could, despite its own problems.

"The water downed trees, houses moved. We were mostly worried at the time who we could rescue, so many people were trapped in their houses, but it was just total devastation," Dorr said.

"It's bad," agreed Federal Emergency Management Agency director Mike Brown. "This storm is really having a catastrophic effect throughout the South."

Brown cautioned the emergency won't end once the waters recede.

"We will find a lot of structural damage in those homes, disease from animal carcasses, the chemicals in homes, that sort of thing," he told Early Show co-anchor Julie Chen. "It's going to take a long time to clean up and make it safe for people to get back to their neighborhoods."

The federal government began rushing baby formula, communications equipment, generators, water and ice into hard-hit areas of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, along with doctors, nurses and first-aid supplies.

The Pentagon sent experts to help with search-and-rescue operations.

"This is our tsunami," Biloxi Mayor A.J. Holloway told the Biloxi Sun Herald.

Katrina knocked out power to more than a million people from Louisiana to the Florida Panhandle, and authorities said it could be two months before electricity is restored to everyone. Ten major hospitals in New Orleans were running on emergency backup power.

"It will be unsafe to return to the coastal area for several days," Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour told evacuees Monday. "Be patient. Don't be in a hurry to go back."

According to preliminary assessments by AIR Worldwide Corp., a risk modeling firm, the property and casualty insurance industry faces as much as $26 billion in claims from Katrina.

That would make Katrina more expensive than the previous record-setting storm, Hurricane Andrew, which caused some $21 billion in insured losses in 1992 to property in Florida and along the Gulf Coast.

Mississippi's economy was also dealt a blow that could run into the millions, as the storm shuttered the flashy casinos that dot its coast. The gambling houses are built on barges anchored just off the beach, and Barbour said emergency officials had received reports of water reaching the third floors of some casinos.

After striking the Gulf Coast as a Category 4 hurricane, Katrina was later downgraded to a tropical storm as it passed through eastern Mississippi, moving north at 21 mph. Winds early Tuesday were still a dangerous 60 mph.

At New Orleans' Superdome, where power was lost early Monday, and holes opened in the roof a few hours later, some 9,000 refugees spent a second night in the dark bleachers. With the air conditioning off, the carpets were soggy, the bricks were slick with humidity and anxiety was rising.

"Everybody wants to go see their house. We want to know what's happened to us. It's hot, it's miserable and, on top of that, you're worried about your house," said Rosetta Junne, 37.

A 50-foot water main broke in New Orleans, making it unsafe to drink the city's water without first boiling it. And police made several arrests for looting.

In a particularly low-lying neighborhood on the south shore of Louisiana's Lake Pontchartrain, a levee along a canal gave way and forced dozens of residents to flee or scramble to the roofs when water rose to their gutters.

"I've never encountered anything like it in my life. It just kept rising and rising and rising," said Bryan Vernon, who spent three hours on his roof, screaming over howling winds for someone to save him and his fiancιe.

"Let me tell you something, folks. I've been out there. It's complete devastation," Gulfport Fire Chief Pat Sullivan said Monday. He estimated that 75 percent of buildings in Gulfport have major roof damage, "if they have a roof left at all."

In Mobile, Ala., the storm knocked an oil rig free from its moorings, wedging it under a bridge. Muddy six-foot waves crashed into the eastern shore of Mobile Bay, flooding stately, antebellum mansions and littering them with oak branches.

"There are lots of homes through here worth a million dollars. At least they were yesterday," said a shirtless Fred Wright. "I've been here 25 years, and this is the worst I've ever seen the water."



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I'm showing my ignorance here, but what exactly is Martial Law?

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I'm no expert, but from an online encyclopedia:

Martial law is the system of rules that takes effect (usually after a formal declaration) when a military authority takes control of the normal administration of justice (and usually of the whole state).

Martial law is instituted most often when it becomes necessary to favor the activity of military authorities and organizations, usually for urgent unforeseen needs, and when the normal institutions of justice either cannot function or could be deemed too slow or too weak for the new situation; e.g., due to war, major natural disaster, civil disorder, in occupied territory, or after a coup d'ιtat. The need to preserve the public order during an emergency is the essential goal of martial law. However, declaration of martial law is also sometimes used by dictatorships, especially military dictatorships, to enforce their rule.

Usually martial law reduces some of the personal rights ordinarily granted to the citizen, limits the length of the trial processes, and prescribes more severe penalties than ordinary law. In many countries martial law prescribes the death penalty for certain crimes, even if ordinary law doesn't contain that crime or punishment in its system.

In many countries martial law imposes particular rules, one of which is curfew. Often, under this system, the administration of justice is left to military tribunals, called courts-martial. The suspension of the writ of habeas corpus is likely to occur.




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I have tears in my eyes reading this. Every day the news just seems to get worse and worse...on another board I visit, one of the members and his family fled to Houston. They just enrolled the kids in school there...can you imagine? He said he doesn't know how he would be able to study, but he thinks they made the right choice, and they have to get back to some normality while all this goes on.

He is a glassblower by trade and of course can't get to his studio to work...don't know what they'rel doing for money..the devastation wrought by Katrina is truly horiffic.

DH and I were just in New Orleans in March and *so* enjoyed it...I can't bear the thought of so much loss for them all.

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Where is this article from?  Just curious cuz I can't find anything on it in the major papers.

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Not to scare anyone, but stuff like this and the tsunami make me wonder if we are living in the end times.

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NO is getting so bad right now that martial law isn't even helping according to CNN.  The first thing looters took were guns so now there are a bunch of desperate, poor people running around and shooting authorities and helicopters. 


Evacuations to Houston have been put on hold due to the large number of people trying to get over there.



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Andrea Julia wrote:

Not to scare anyone, but stuff like this and the tsunami make me wonder if we are living in the end times.



I've been thinking about this for quite some time now. I don't know how many of you are religious out there, but I have always heard that the world was going to end when many natural disasters occur, the weather is acting very strangely, and things of that nature.

It IS scary and getting scarier by the minute!

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nunzi182 wrote:


I'm showing my ignorance here, but what exactly is Martial Law?


Its okay. I was thinking the same thing!


 


This whole experience is just so awful.. I can't afford much.. but I do plan on trying to donate some money.



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Yeah it sucks and its scary that so many natural disasters have occurred recently but hurricane seasons cycle and some years are worse than others. When you live on the coast you get use to it and learn to deal with it.



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nunzi182 wrote:


Andrea Julia wrote: Not to scare anyone, but stuff like this and the tsunami make me wonder if we are living in the end times. I've been thinking about this for quite some time now. I don't know how many of you are religious out there, but I have always heard that the world was going to end when many natural disasters occur, the weather is acting very strangely, and things of that nature. It IS scary and getting scarier by the minute!

I was thinking this, too....

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Very sad - they are shooting / killing cops - 4 so far. THEY ARE TRYING TO HELP THEM. I think it's so sad to see how quickly the situation is deteriorating. It's one thing if people are taking food because it's necessary - but they are in the malls, etc looting everything. It's the worst side of humanity & i'm personally embarassed that it is happening.

My bro-in-law is a state trooper & I just talked to my sister. She said he has been coming home a zombie - she really thinks they are just in shock for all the things they are seeing. This time last week life was normal......it's like a bad movie that won't end.

-- Edited by laken1 at 11:35, 2005-09-01

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Hey Karina - what is your source?  I've been listening to NPR all a.m. and got the impression it was a possibiility, but that it hadn't actually occurred (abt. martial law).  I think the Pres. would have to declare martial law, and I don't think he has...

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Laken- what area do they have your BIL working in? I keep hearing about all the crap downtown and it just breaks my heart - the shootings of the police and at the army helicopters.  I guess people are just getting frustrated especially with only the 10K people in the superdome being allowed to live in the astrodome.  I think they reported they have close to 50 or 60k people outside of the superdome and on roofs.

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dc wrote:


Hey Karina - what is your source?  I've been listening to NPR all a.m. and got the impression it was a possibiility, but that it hadn't actually occurred (abt. martial law).  I think the Pres. would have to declare martial law, and I don't think he has...

It was declared either yesterday or the day before by the governor of LA I believe.  It isn't helping though.

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I'm interested in the source of this too, mainly because of the glaring grammatical error in the first paragraph ("The Big Easy and it's suburbs"). If you search on Google news there are a bunch of stories about martial law in NO but right now none of them are from major news outlets and 2 of them are from Canadian papers. There also seems to be some conflicting information.

From Jurist (UPitt legal news site):
"New Orleans mayor declares "martial law", pulls police from rescues to halt looting
Chris Buell at 8:58 PM ET

[JURIST] Furious at a rising tide of lawlessness in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin Wednesday evening reassigned 1,500 New Orleans police from search-and-rescue missions to halt widespread looting in the battered and flooded city. Declaring "martial law" in a dramatic invocation of his civic emergency powers, he directed officers to do "whatever it takes" to restore order, saying they could stop looters without regard to their civil rights and Miranda rights. Earlier Wednesday, a Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness spokesman said that contrary to earlier local reports and some statements by officials, martial law - technically, emergency government by military authority - was not in effect anywhere in the state. The Louisiana Attorney General's office insisted late Tuesday that martial law is not recognized in Louisiana state law, although state statutes and declarations of emergency give civic officials - the governor, heads of parishes and mayors - broad powers to restore order after disasters."


Maybe they are just using the phrase "martial law" as a matter of speech?

-- Edited by cc at 11:56, 2005-09-01

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lsubatgirl wrote:

Laken- what area do they have your BIL working in? I keep hearing about all the crap downtown and it just breaks my heart - the shootings of the police and at the army helicopters.  I guess people are just getting frustrated especially with only the 10K people in the superdome being allowed to live in the astrodome.  I think they reported they have close to 50 or 60k people outside of the superdome and on roofs.



He is working in St Tammany & it's not as bad there, but as you can imagine it's still bad & they are in close contact with the people in NO. I just think it's so sad - they showed pictures of people pepper sprayed & the reporters were making snide comments about it this morning - the media makes it so much worse. i know it's bad & people are freaking out, but what are the authorities going to do? If they do nothing, it will get worse. If they try to enforce using pepper spray, or God forbid, guns, there will be footage on the news & they will be a bunch of unfeeling authorities. It's just no win at this point.

I bet the people's businesses & homes these people are breaking into don't mind seeing the looters with a little pepper spray on them....

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nunzi182 wrote:


Andrea Julia wrote: Not to scare anyone, but stuff like this and the tsunami make me wonder if we are living in the end times. I've been thinking about this for quite some time now. I don't know how many of you are religious out there, but I have always heard that the world was going to end when many natural disasters occur, the weather is acting very strangely, and things of that nature. It IS scary and getting scarier by the minute!


 


The other side of this is that global warming models have been predicting that things like this would begin to happen with greater frequencey for years.  It hasn't been taken seriously because predicting catastophic events is a very young science, and it is difficult to prove that these events are directly related to the warming of the earth.  Scientists have been jumping up and down for years trying to get the government to pay attention to the warnings that suggest that hurricanes and other natural disasters are going to become more common.


Either way, it is just so sad that 3 days after the hurricane, things are getting worse and not better.  I can't help but think that it would be a lot easier to keep the peace and a lot less stress on local police forces if the military was not already stretched beyond its capacity.



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Laken- I'm glad he's not in NO.  I can only imagine how awful it is in LA right now.  I feel so bad because I am so far away and I can't be there even though there isn't much I can do. 


Everyone I know from down there is in complete shock.  I was scared to send the link of chalmette to my bf because I didn't really want to be the one to show him that there is nothing left down there but I had to because I wanted him to be prepared for the tv images that hadn't come yet.


Click to view original image This is where he grew up.  if you click on the image and enlarge it you can see a superwalmart on the left and a home depot on the right and they are flooded to the roof.


Its just sad.


http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWL083105lawless.1242410b.html Martial Law declaration from WWL TV in NOLA


 



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I found this online:


http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWL083105lawless.1242410b.html


 


Nagin declares Martial Law to crack down on looters


08:04 PM CDT on Wednesday, August 31, 2005







Irwin Thompson / DMN Police search a person suspected of looting Wednesday in New Orleans.

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Disgusted and furious with the lawlessness of looters who have put fear into citizens, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared Martial Law in the city and directed the city's 1,500 person police force to do "whatever it takes" to regain control of the city.



Nagin said that Martial Law means that officers don't have to worry about civil rights and Miranda rights in stopping the looters.



Amid the chaos Wednesday, thieves commandeered a forklift and used it to push up the storm shutters and break the glass of a pharmacy. The crowd stormed the store, carrying out so much ice, water and food that it dropped from their arms as they ran. The street was littered with packages of ramen noodles and other items.



Looters also chased down a state police truck full of food. The New Orleans police chief ran off looters while city officials themselves were commandeering equipment from a looted Office Depot. During a state of emergency, authorities have broad powers to take private supplies and buildings for their use. Managers at a nursing home were prepared to cope with the power outages and had enough food for days, but then the looting began. The Covenant Home's bus driver surrendered the vehicle to carjackers after being threatened.



Bands of people drove by the nursing home, shouting to residents, "Get out!" On Wednesday, 80 residents, most of them in wheelchairs, were being evacuated to other nursing homes in the state.



"We had enough food for 10 days," said Peggy Hoffman, the home's executive director. "Now we'll have to equip our department heads with guns and teach them how to shoot."








Michael Ainsworth / DMN Joint Task Force Commander and Brig. Gen. Gary Jones (left) and Brig. Gen. of the Air National Guard Brod Veillon talk stategy for rescue outside the Superdome.

At one store, hordes of people from all ages, races and walks of life grabbed food and water. Some drove away with trunkloads of beer.



At one point, two officers drew their guns on the looters, but the thieves left without incident. One of the officers said he is not going to arrest anyone for snatching up food and water.



One young man was seen wading through chest-deep floodwater, carrying a case of soda, after looting a grocery store.



"We will restore law and order," Blanco said. "What angers me the most is that disasters like this often bring out the worst in people. I will not tolerate this kind of behavior."



John Matessino, president of the Louisiana Hospital Association, said he had not heard of anyone breaking into the hospitals, but he added that thieves got into the parking garage at one hospital and were stealing car batteries and stereos.



Officials tried to balance security needs with saving lives.



"We're multitasking right now," said New Orleans Police Capt. Marlon Defillo. "Rescue, recovery, stabilization of looting, we're trying to feed the hungry." New Orleans' homeland security chief, Terry Ebbert, said looters were breaking into stores all over town and stealing guns. He said there are gangs of armed men moving around the city. At one point, officers stranded on the roof of a hotel were fired at by criminals on the street.



The Times-Picayune newspaper reported that the gun section at a new Wal-Mart had been cleaned out by looters.



Authorities said an officer was shot in the head and a looter was wounded in a shootout. The officer and looter were expected to survive.



Written with AP contributions.



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