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Kate Spade

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i heard this as i was driving to work this morning, but apparently the national champs of lacross were invited to the white house and a few of the members wore flip flops, a photo was taken and now it has caused this huge controvery over the appropriate-ness of these type of attire--thoughts?
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and here is t he article:
Before visiting the White House, Kate Darmody carefully planned her outfit. She bought a sundress from Ann Taylor. She put on a strand of white pearls.

And then she slipped on flip-flops to meet the president. So did about half of her teammates from the national championship Northwestern University women's lacrosse team, invited to the White House on Tuesday after a 21-0 season.

She didn't think twice about the footwear until she got an e-mail--in all capital letters--from her brother.

"YOU WORE FLIP-FLOPS TO THE WHITE HOUSE????!!!!" he wrote after checking out the picture on the team's Web site.

Aly Josephs' mother had the same reaction after seeing her daughter in the front row of the photo--the fifth person away from the president--wearing brown suede flip-flops with a skirt, sleeveless top and matching beaded jewelry.

"Don't even ask me about the flip-flops," her mother said when a reporter questioned her about the picture. "As somebody who is 52 years old, it mortified me. I don't go out of the house without pantyhose on."

Twenty- and 30-somethings will pair flip-flops with everything from shorts to cocktail dresses, with the footwear acceptable (at least to them) at work and at clubs, for a stroll down Michigan Avenue or even down the wedding aisle. For their moms, the shoes--best known for the flapping noise they make--are meant for places like the beach.

One of the hottest trends this summer, flip-flops are no longer a dime-store purchase, with some costing several hundred dollars. They come flat and with wedge heels. They have rhinestones and sequins and flowers. The straps are made of terry cloth and leather.

But in today's more laid-back society, is there a distinction between ratty old flip-flops and ones from Neiman Marcus? Can they be worn at the White House, arguably the most formal setting in the United States?

Shoe expert Meghan Cleary, author of "The Perfect Fit: What Your Shoes Say About You," says no. In her chapter on flip-flops, where she weighs whether "to flip-flop, or not to flip-flop" for particular occasions, she would add a White House visit to the "not" category.

"For me, flip-flops are just not for a formal occasion," Cleary said. "But meeting the president, maybe this really speaks more to the worldwide acceptance of the flip-flop."

But the Northwestern Wildcats lacrosse team members, dressed in skirts and dresses, thought nothing of it. Of the nine women in the front row with the president, four wore flip-flops. The rest wore heeled sandals.

This past season was only the fourth year that Northwestern has had a varsity lacrosse team, and the women were thrilled to join 14 other college championship teams at the White House.

"Nobody was wearing old beach flip-flops," said Josephs, 20, who wore $16 brown, flat flip-flops with rhinestones, one of about 15 pairs in her closet.

Darmody, 22, who decided on a wedge-heel flip-flop, said: "I tried to think of something that would go well with my outfit and at the same time not be that uncomfortable. But at the same not disrespect the White House."

She said that from May to September, "that is all I have on my feet all the time."

The teammates, and their athletic director, commented several times that it was actually the University of Michigan softball team--dressed in khaki shorts, polo shirts and sneakers--that was way underdressed.

"I would have felt out of place if that was what I was wearing," said Darmody, a lacrosse midfielder.

Flip-flops also pooh-poohed

But etiquette experts generally thought the flip-flops also were out of place.
"Many people are confused nowadays about when an occasion calls for dressing more formally. I'd say meeting a world leader is one of those occasions," said Charles Purdy, who writes the San Francisco Weekly's Dear Social Grace column.

Lesley Carlin, co-author of "Things You Need to be Told," said wearing flip-flops to the White House is a "huge no-no."

"You see them a lot more, but I've heard a lot of people remarking, `Those belong at the beach and not at the office.'"

Even Joe Guidry, a salesman at the upscale Stuart Weitzman store on Michigan Avenue, said he wouldn't advise women to wear the company's $150 flip-flops to the White House.

"Meeting the president? I personally wouldn't wear them," he said.

Lindsey Munday, Northwestern senior and offensive player on the lacrosse team, chose to wear light blue sandals, but said the flip-flops were suitable too.

"I didn't look at any of my teammates and say that was so inappropriate. I think there is a line between certain flip-flops and others," she said.

Munday said she shopped for the White House outfit with her mother, and chose a sundress, cardigan, bag and shoes from Ann Taylor. "I think she was going more for the heel look than flip-flops," she said.

What's the dress code?

White House spokeswoman Erin Healy wouldn't comment on whether the White House has a dress code. Soon after President Bush took office, he suggested that men should wear a tie in the Oval Office, and staffers reportedly do not wear jeans in the West Wing.

Ann Stock, who was Hillary Clinton's social secretary, said that while there was no written dress code for White House guests, "people who visit the White House know they're going to a very special place and that one should dress appropriately."

Nancy Reagan's social secretary, Muffie Brandon, was aghast to discover that some female staffers routinely wore flip-flops to work in hot weather.

"We do not wear clogs at the White House," Brandon proclaimed.

Locally, state Sen. Susan Garrett (D-Lake Forest), whose tastes run toward elegant suits and heels, said people shouldn't be overly concerned about what they wear when visiting the state Capitol.

"I don't think we should be pointing fingers at their flip-flops," she said.

Josephs, a junior on the lacrosse team who scored about 45 goals last season, had planned to wear a pair of heeled orange shoes to the White House but left them at home. She said the trip to the White House was "surreal."

The team gave Bush two "GWB43" lacrosse sticks, one painted red, white and blue and the other painted purple, the school color.

The teammates then shook his hand and posed for a picture, four rows of women standing tall with the president, who was dressed in a suit, blue tie and dark dress shoes.

Everybody was doing it

Josephs' mother, Lydia, said her daughter's freshly pedicured toes were the first thing she noticed when she saw the picture.

"I called her up and screamed at the message machine, `How could you go to the White House in flip-flops,'" she recalled. "She said, `Mom, it didn't matter. Everybody was wearing flip-flops.'"

Tom Darmody, 38, also was surprised when he saw his sister in the picture.

"I was a little taken aback, to say the least," said Darmody, an attorney who admitted he might be jealous as his feet sweated in socks and leather shoes. "You are two people away from the leader of the most powerful country in the free world and you're wearing flip-flops?"

*from the Chicago Tribune*

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Kate Spade

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I saw this too and I thought-so what? I personally HATE flip flops. I'm in a soroity and on certain days we're supposed to wear nice dress clothes-either a skirt or a dress, something you'd wear to church. So here are these nice, formal outfits and then they ruin it by wearing flip flops. I see girls doing that all the time and I think it looks horrible. But, I don't think it's so bad as to make headline news!

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I love flip flops, but I would never even think to wear them to meet the President or to any other formal or semi-formal type of event.  I wear flip-flops during the summer on weekends or evenings and sometimes on casual Friday (my office is very, very casual and most people wear flip-flops everyday). 


I can understand why this incident would get attention, however I don't understand why this gets attention and the team wearing shorts and polo shirts didn't. I think it's more inappropriate to be dressed completely casual than to be dressed up and wearing questionable footwear.



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Major faux pas IMO.  Flip flops are okay on certain occasions, but not at the White House.  There are so many other styles of shoes that would have been appropriate for the occasion for those girls, and I think its just pretty lazy for them to throw on flip flops.

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I think it's a tacky choice.  Hello!!!! Look at what the Pres. is wearing.  Besides seaming disrespectful (call me old fashioned) I think it looks horrible fashion wise.  Now don't get me wrong, I wear more than my share of flip-flops, but if I'm dressing up for something important I don't.  Now I half heard on the news this morning that they're doing some sort of auction of the flip-flops to raise money for , um cancer, I think.  Or maybe it was a specific little girl with cancer that's a devoted fan of theirs. I guess their trying to redeem themselves.  Now as for it being headline new...whatever!  Get over it.

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I would NEVER! I think that is so ridiculously disrepectful. I would also have my shoulders covered more than some of those girls do.


and fashionwise: ok, wear flips and a sundress. that can be cute. but once the pearls go on, the flips have got to go.



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just out of curiosoty, do you think the article is implying that heeled sandals are bad too? or kind of pushing it? personally i think that the heeled sandals are ok, some dresses look better with a nice heeled sandal.  but you guys are right, i can't believe this made headline news.

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totally inappropriate!  an occassion does not get more formal than when one is invited to the white house, for crying out loud.


i think this is getting national attention because of the prevalence of flip flops everywhere at all times of the year and this is just an example of how ridiculous it's getting.  they are just not appropriate for 90% of office settings imo, certainly never for the white house. 


i sound like an old man, but kids these days seem to think comfort trumps style, appropriateness and formality!  it's a real shame, because dressing up is fun, yet these days there are fewer and fewer occasions you get to do it because our culture has seemed to "dress down" these occasions over the years.


some of these girls aren't even wearing "nice" flip flops...i think a few of them are actually like, plastic!


my god!


done ranting. 



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I think it is completely disrespectful to show up there in flip flops or shorts!!!  Any time LSU wins a national championship and goes to the white house they are required to wear suits.  As much as I would like to think that heeled sandles would be ok I wouldn't wear them.  I think closed toe would be more appropriate for the White House or at least a slingback heel if you didn't want to wear a traditional pump.


I also think the girl on the front row wearing the long sleeved yellow top and the mini skirt is inappropriately dressed but I will settle on the complaints about the flip flops.



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I don't think it is that *huge* of a deal, but I certainly agree that flip flops are inappropriate for the White House.  While I think open toed shoes should be okay, I wouldn't wear any shoe that made that slappy noise.

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I agree, flip flops are highly inappropriate for the white house. I mean, they were meeting the leader of, arguably, the most powerful country in the world. Their coach should have told them beforehand what it would be appropriate to wear, since evidently these girls couldn't figure it out for themselves!

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Is it me or does it seem like the West Coast styles are dominating the country...I think I may have lived through college in sneakers and flips, but I went to school in Cali. I NEVER wore flips before moving out here and even now...I only commute in them and run errands or go to the beach in them. I my Havaianas as much as the next girl but...at the White House?


I mean, I despise Bush and what he's doing to this country but somehow I don't feel like these girls wearing flips was a deliberate sign of protest against him or anything...just lack of knowledge about dress codes.


 



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I really don't see what the big deal was. I wouldn't have chosen to do it but I wouldn't be offended or think wrongly if someone around me had worn them to the White House.

If the dress code for the event was that important, the girls should have been made aware of such a dress code either by their coach or White House Reps. Furthermore, these girls are young enough not to know what is "right" or "wrong" to wear to the White House.


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Obviously a slow news day....who cares.

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Well, I can't see how it is newsworthy, but wtf were they thinking?! And why didn't their coach tell them to go change?

I might be old school, but I even feel skuzzy wearing flips on a plane, let alone to meet the President (like him or not).

Then again, it's not really the disrespect that bugs me... it's that these girls didn't have the fashion sense to find cuter shoes. Flips are sort of a lazy solution, or something you might wear to a pool party. I wear them to bum around town or when I want to be dressed down. I just do not understand on what level this seemed like a good choice of footwear. Would they wear flips to the opera, too? To their graduation? To a wedding? Could they not find cute sandals or pumps? They honestly thought that was the most attractive pairing for the outfit? Just by looking at the photo, you can see who looks dumpy and stumpy and who looks ladylike, and it comes down to the footwear. It makes a huge difference.

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nunzi182 wrote:


 Furthermore, these girls are young enough not to know what is "right" or "wrong" to wear to the White House.

No offense, but I'm in high school and I'm certainly old enough to know that flip flops are not appropriate.   I love my flips as much as the next girl, but most people would not think it very classy to wear such casual shoes to the White House.

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I live in my flip flops, but I think it's totally tacky to wear them to the White House. But most of the outfits those girls have on are tacky for a variety of reasons.

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theotherjess wrote:

nunzi182 wrote:
 Furthermore, these girls are young enough not to know what is "right" or "wrong" to wear to the White House.
No offense, but I'm in high school and I'm certainly old enough to know that flip flops are not appropriate.   I love my flips as much as the next girl, but most people would not think it very classy to wear such casual shoes to the White House.




No offense taken. Honestly though, how many people are well-versed enough to know White House etiquette? It's not like they've been there on numerous occasions and know what's the proper thing to wear. They obviously wear them everyday and didn't think too much of it. I don't think they purposely wore them to look "tacky", it's what they're used to.

But that's beside the point, I really don't see what the big deal is, it's not like the prez is God. He's just human being like the rest of us.

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Maddie wrote:


But most of the outfits those girls have on are tacky for a variety of reasons.


Maddie, this made me giggle.  It's funny 'cause it's true.


dc, you are absolutely right that the dumpiness factor comes down to the footwear.  But I still want to know why there was an article about this, but not about the team wearing shorts and polos????



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I was looking for Britney Spears in there!

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