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Kenneth Cole

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The Weekend Edition of the Wall Street Journal has a great article on sample sales and how they are not as good for deals as they used to be because they are no longer exclusive.

What do you all think?

As someone who has been sample sale-ing for at least five years, I sometimes feel like I am going through the motion at sales. I wait, try stuff on and buy something just because I am there, not because I really want/need anything. The sales are getting more out of control and it is has gotten harder and harder to get a bargain or a deal on items. It isn't as much fun as it used to be. Although I'm sure it would be if I was invited to the secret sales.

Here are a few bits. There is also a great chart, but I have no idea how to attach.

By Rachel Dodes
Hungry for a deal, Heidi Callan waited in a 30-minute line outside the San Diego Sheraton Hotel & Marina to attend a designer sample sale.

After registering online and printing out her confirmation email, the 32-year-old San Diego accountant was disappointed once she got inside. Her search for True Religion and Antik Denim jeans turned up styles that were from older seasons. The price for one pair, $109.99, was about half off retail, but not the steep 75% discount she'd expected. "It's not as good of a deal as I had hoped," Ms. Callan said. "But after waiting in that line, I am getting something."
Once exclusive events restricted to the fashion cognoscenti, sample sales have gone mass-market. Until fairly recently, designer sales were typically held by New York showrooms once or twice a year, and a limited number of coveted invitations were sent out. The events were a way to generate buzz among tastemakers and recoup expenses for producing "samples" -- the size 2, 4 or 6 garment prototypes shown to store buyers and worn by models prior to mass production.

But as retailers have consolidated, squeezing many smaller independent designers, the sample sale is emerging as a more significant marketing event and even a profit center for some labels. Increasingly, the sales are open to just about anyone, and they're less likely to include actual samples than excess inventory, returned orders and pieces produced especially for the sale. In the process, sample sales are following a similar evolution to that of outlet stores, which started out as true repositories for slightly damaged or overstocked goods but have evolved into huge retail operations in their own right. Indeed, the term "sample sale" has become something of a misnomer, though the term is still widely used.
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But it's also changing the equation for consumers, who may have a harder time telling whether they're getting a real deal or not. While we found a floral bias-cut silk dress marked down from $3,775 to $300 at the Tuleh sample sale in New York, for example, discounts start at just 20% off at another sale called Shecky's Girls Night Out. The goods are also sometimes different than what's offered in stores. Designers Diane von Furstenberg, Lilly Pulitzer and Cynthia Steffe say they will sometimes use fabric from previous seasons to cut garments for the sample sale, while Alice + Olivia will sell returned orders and damaged goods, as well as samples.

There are tricks to navigating the new sample sale. Look for true samples, for example, which are usually from the current season and often labeled with a large tag; they only come in the sample size of 2, 4 or 6. Accessories and shoes tend to be a better bargain, since they're typically marked up at retail by 150% to 300%, while apparel can sell for double the wholesale price.
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s the sales have grown, some customers have given up. They "were wonderful back when it was just the designers having them," says Karina Houghton, a San Francisco-based entrepreneur who still remembers the Dolce & Gabbana dress she bought for under $100 at a New York sale nine years ago. "Now everyone has something they call a sample sale." Ms. Houghton says she skips sample sales altogether now and focuses on department store sales. She goes to Nordstrom's half yearly sale, for example, where she recently got a Chloé grecian dress from Spring 2006 for 75% off.

Some of the most coveted designers still keep their sample sales exclusive. Chloé, the label known for its $1,500 "Paddington" bag, invited only fashion editors, stylists and "friends of the house" to its sale in June. Prada's sample sale is being held next week, and to get in, shoppers must schedule an appointment through a special Web site, www.pradasamplesale.com11. The first day of the sale is reserved for fashion editors and other VIPs, who are emailed an access code to enter on the site's registration page. Manolo Blahnik's sale, which is slated for sometime in November, is open to the public but editors from fashion magazines get first dibs. Chanel reportedly discontinued its sample sale for all but employees two years ago. The company declined to comment.

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I totally agree with the article. Five years ago I used to go to sample sales and make out pretty well, and now they are so picked over or don't offer good discounts.

I'd prefer to go to Active Endeavors or Revolve Clothing, use a code, and get new, first quality stuff for 20% off. Or wait for the department store sales, which can be very good.

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i've had good luck at "sample" sales so i don't really agree with the article. i think the writer is spot on when she says most sales aren't really sample sales and just stock sales but that works for me b/c if they were true sample sales i wouldn't fit anything.


in general i tend to avoid most of the multiple brand ones (like bbd -- though i did see some cute stuff at their last sale) b/c those are notorious for just selling old stuff that no one wanted.


but the smaller sales (those run by the designers directly) or ones that feature only one brand (like the theory sale) are a great resource for picking up stuff at a fraction of the retail price.



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honey wrote:



but the smaller sales (those run by the designers directly) or ones that feature only one brand (like the theory sale) are a great resource for picking up stuff at a fraction of the retail price.



I agree wholeheartedly. 


I think there are some good sales with multiple brands, but lately I've noticed too much of an upswing in the Sheckys-like parties that don't really offer amazing discounts. I'll go to them, but I personally don't care much about ambience or like paying admission fees to get into a sale.


Also, I could pick up my whole wardrobe at sample sales if I really wanted to, so I bed to differ as far as the quality of merchandise being offered. 



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I agree with honey and lilykind. A large portion of my clothing is from sample sales. But I also avoid the giant sales like BDB and Shecky's (which I never considered a sample sale but just a shopping event where you get a small discount) as well as a lot of the really high end designers' sales. I usually go to smaller designer sales or places like Clothingline (where it does seem like a lot of the things are actually samples because they often don't have a size tag in them).

I don't shop at department stores so I can't really compare the discounts and though I do often see things insanely marked down at boutiques' end-of-season sales I never actually see anything that I like but at sample sales I usually have luck. The one thing I agree with is the fact that shopping at sample sales can lead to a lot of regrettable purchases but it's just a matter of being able to make a good decision on the spot and having willpower.

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