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MIAMI - A passenger who claimed to have a bomb in a carry-on bag was shot by a federal air marshal Wednesday on a jetway connected to an American Airlines plane that had arrived from Colombia, officials said.




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The passenger's condition was not immediately disclosed. A witness said the man frantically ran down the aisle and a woman with him said he was mentally ill.



    Homeland Security Department spokesman Brian Doyle said after the plane had parked at the gate, a passenger indicated there was a bomb in the bag. The passenger was confronted by air marshals but ran off the plane, Doyle said.


A team of air marshals pursued and ordered the passenger to get on the ground. The passenger did not comply and was shot when apparently reaching into the bag, Doyle said.


Passenger Mary Gardner told WTVJ in Miami that the man ran down the aisle from the rear of the plane. "He was frantic, his arms flailing in the air," she said. She said a woman followed, shouting, "My husband! My husband!"


Gardner said she heard the woman say her husband was bipolar and had not had his medication.


The plane, Flight 924, had just arrived from Medellin, Colombia, and was headed on to Orlando.


Airport and Miami-Dade County police officials said they had no immediate comment. American Airlines officials confirmed the shooting was on a jetway.


"All I know is that it was on the jet bridge, outside the aircraft," American spokesman Tim Wagner said. "I don't know yet if the passenger had been on the plane and was getting off, or was starting to board the aircraft."


Flight 924 arrived at Miami airport at 12:16 p.m. Eastern and was scheduled to depart at 2:18 p.m., Wagner said. He said the shooting happened shortly after 2 p.m., suggesting passengers may have already been preparing to depart for Orlando.


Martin Gonzalez, spokesman for Colombia's civil aviation agency, said the flight "left normally with no problems."


 


**the passenger has now died**



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There's rumors on the news that his wife said he was mentally ill after he was shot down.  It's sad they shot him, but they had to do what they had to do.

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I saw this too. But he didn't have a bomb, right? I wonder if the marshal followed protocol. If he really is mentally ill, that's pretty sad.



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Wow, that's so sad.  His poor family.  I can't even imagine.

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halleybird wrote:

I saw this too. But he didn't have a bomb, right? I wonder if the marshal followed protocol. If he really is mentally ill, that's pretty sad.
I don't think they know?  Or at least they weren't releasing that information last time I checked.

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Sorry, but if you say you have a bomb, which he reportedly did, then reach in a bag, i say shoot. If he was mentally handicapped that would make it all the more sad, but if that is the case & his judgement is that bad, he should have been supervised. I don't want bombs on the plane I ride on & if the federal marshalls have to make decisions like this, that's just ok with me.

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laken1 wrote:

Sorry, but if you say you have a bomb, which he reportedly did, then reach in a bag, i say shoot. If he was mentally handicapped that would make it all the more sad, but if that is the case & his judgement is that bad, he should have been supervised. I don't want bombs on the plane I ride on & if the federal marshalls have to make decisions like this, that's just ok with me.
^ This is what I feel too.  A newscaster was talking about how we have programs to let aircraft staff know when a minor is flying to make sure that they are properly supervised and that we should have the same type of thing for mentally disabled people.  I feel bad for the guy if he was mentally ill, but lives were at stake here.  I don't know why but I am really interested in this (and so glad he did not make it to Orlando where I live).

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laken1 wrote:

Sorry, but if you say you have a bomb, which he reportedly did, then reach in a bag, i say shoot. If he was mentally handicapped that would make it all the more sad, but if that is the case & his judgement is that bad, he should have been supervised. I don't want bombs on the plane I ride on & if the federal marshalls have to make decisions like this, that's just ok with me.

I agree.  These are split second decisions that have to be made by law enforcement and if someone says he has a bomb and won't obey police orders, then I want our law enforcement to take the necessary steps to make sure that a bomb DOES NOT GO OFF.  It's as simple as that.


If this guy was in full capacity of his mental faculties, he should have known better.  If he wasn't, and hadn't taken his medications, then a) his wife should have made sure he had taken his medications, or b) he should have not been on a plane.  If the guy is mentally ill enough to claim to have a bomb when he doesn't, then who knows what else he could have done while in the air.  A passenger like that poses a major risk to eveyone on the plane.  I feel sorry for him and his family if this is indeed the case, but I really feel strongly that the air marshalls did the right thing. 



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Okay, I definitely say shoot too, but did they have to shoot to kill?

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it's incredibly sad, but it doesn't make sense to me--his wife said he was bipolar, but I have never heard of people with bipolar disorder suffering from intense bouts of delusion like that. But whatever his problem, it seems pretty obvious that he was mentally ill. So, so sad.


And Lorelei, from what I remember from that shooting this summer where the British cops shot and killed that man who was running away from them and did not stop when ordered, they are trained to shoot to kill because an actual terrorist is considered likely to detonate his bomb even if injured.



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these kind of stories are so sad to me.  People really need to be careful what they say- if you are even slightly off, i think running from the cops is a natural reaction.  I wonder if they would kill me if i screamed- " I HAVE A BOMB" (not like i would, but you know.)  some people just don't know- and from what i've read- the man that was killed was still learning english.  it reminds me of this story from driver's ed- a cop pulled a guy over and asked for his license and registration.  instead of complying the guy got out of his car, and walked to his trunk.  the officer kept telling him to stop stop stop, and then he shot and killed him as he was opening his trunk.  turns out he was trying to get his license and registration- they were back there for some reason.  So sad- the police def. need to protect themselves and the public, but i wish there was a way to not KILL the other person and still stop them.  Like a stun gun or something.  Remember when Buzz Lightyear said, "I've set my laser from stun...to kill!"

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My husband was telling me about an NPR program yesterday.  The hosts and the people calling in were all outraged that the man had been shot, and were critizing the air marshall, his response, air marshall training, etc etc...


Then an airline pilot called in and ripped everyone a new one.  Some of the points she made were: air marshalls are trained to use their guns as the ABSOLUTE last resort, because the last thing you want to do is fire a gun at 30,000 feet.  Being bipolar isn't really an excuse to do the ONE THING you are not supposed to say on an airplane - I have a bomb.  And like someone else pointed out, if he had the bomb on his body, terrorists will detonate it even if injured.  Finally, we don't really know the whole story, so it's easy for us to say the air marshall shouldn't have fired his weapon.


My husband said the radio hosts were stunned into silence.  I feel it's unfortunate that the man was shot, but sadly it's the world we live in now.



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This is a really sad situation.  However, it also saddens me that whenever we have a situation like this, a lot of people jump to the conclusion that the law enforcement made a poor decision.  I absolutely think that we have to be wary of folks in law enforcement abusing their power, but it seems like they can't win.  If a bomb does go off on a plane one day, the public will immediately be up in arms over poor security and asking why an air marshal didn't bring the person down while they still had time.  Even with all their training, they are still humans forced to make a life or death judgement within a split second.  That air marshall has to live the rest of his life with the knowledge that he killed an innocent man, unless he's totally a heartless, power hungry jack hole, that's got to be tough to deal with.



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My husband was telling me about an NPR program yesterday.  The hosts and the people calling in were all outraged that the man had been shot, and were critizing the air marshall, his response, air marshall training, etc etc...

The media has me absolutely IRATE about this kind of thing.  Matt Lauer on the Today show yesterday was asking "Do they really need to shoot to kill?" etc, etc and I had to turn it off.  He just made me so mad.  The media likes to make a big story out of this and I absolutely think the air marshalls did the right thing and there's no question about it. 


I forgot what news I was watching last night, but they were debating whether or not they should have shot the guy because the wife had said he was bipolar.  The guy from Homeland Security was basically saying that the air marshalls are taught not to be distracted by others, which is totally valid. 


I'm glad the airline pilot called into the NPR show.  My dad is an airline pilot and I know he feels the same way.  The media has me so irritated about this issue.  I feel like they're trying to stir up trouble and controversy over this just to create a story.



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ok, hindsight bias is always 20/20...but...I thought this related newsbit was interesting, (I can't remember if this was NBC or ABC last night, but the news listed a recent study about police shootings and mentally ill people, it found that mentally ill people are four times more likely than we are to be shot and killed by police.  I wonder exactly how law enforcement and otherwise related gun carrying officials are prepared for this...do they do a quick one-day course or get some psychology classes?


It's too bad this happened, but I can understand it's kind of a neccessary evil and it's just the natural reaction to a potentially serious threat.


Another thing, I think the air marshall officials are being too defensive in the media, can't they admit any humility/rash decision/fear, please?  That would make me feel a lot more comfortable knowing they are not some kind of machine who "did everything by the book" blah blah blah.  We're all human and we can forgive others mistakes, but it's hard to accept one who thinks they do everything right.


just my opinion, not trying to further criticize air marshalls.



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