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September 22, 2005 Supersize Strollers Ignite Sidewalk Drama By STEPHANIE ROSENBLOOM


ONE recent evening during rush hour on a Washington subway, Jose Rivas found himself cornered by a giant stroller, with no clear path of escape. "She saw us," Mr. Rivas, 33, said of the woman pushing the buggy. "She looked at us. She was basically like: 'You better find a way to get out. It's not my responsibility.' "


When he tried to step around her to reach the door, her look became a glare. The confrontation was like a battle, he said, and the weapon, a long, army-green-colored stroller.


Christopher Peruzzi, 39, of Freehold, N.J., has also had to dodge baby strollers - especially those that are "double wide or triple long" - usually in stores, and he doesn't like it either. "They're blocking off products you want to get to," he said. "I find this particularly annoying in Barnes & Noble and Walden Books. I'm here to read. I'm not here for your kid to slam into me."


Pricey, supersize baby strollers like the Bugaboo and the Silver Cross - nicknamed Hummers - have been derided as symbols of yuppie extravagance. (They cost upward of about $700.) But some critics now say that size is not the only problem. What's worse, they say, is the way some parents use them to bulldoze their way through public places.


"I liken it to the SUV experience," said Elizabeth Khalil, 28, a lawyer in Washington. "It's just your mission to mow down everything in your sight because you can."


Critics - many of them people without children - rarely raise the issue with their friends who are parents. But they voice their complaints in conversations with one another and in online chat rooms. And many are beginning to suspect that the new big strollers are the latest fissure in a long-standing divide between parents and nonparents, a disagreement that usually goes unspoken, over who has made the right choice in life.


"These women have a child, and they're like, 'Look at me,' " said Ophira Eisenberg, 33, a stand-up comedian from the West Village who refers to oversize baby strollers as lawn mowers. "It's like this baby is more important than anything, and everyone should be bowing down because they created life."


Parents who use the supersize strollers dismiss the notion that they are inconsiderate or think of themselves as superior. "If anything I am particularly self-conscious about the stroller in public places, that I'm not bumping into people," said Chris Ford, a stay-at-home father in Las Vegas and the owner of a red Bugaboo Frog. "A stroller is something a parent uses all the time. It's one of those things, like eyeglasses. You're always using them. You don't want to cheap out on them."


Mr. Ford, who offers thoughts about parenting on ModernDayDad.com, said that owning a Bugaboo means that he never has to worry if the stroller will be able to handle certain terrain - and it's an eye-pleaser. "I like how it comes in solid colors. It's not some sort of ugly plaid or ducks and bunnies," he said. "I love its industrial design. I love how it's made of metal, how strong it is."


"If you've got a problem," Mr. Ford said, "then you've got issues beyond my stroller."


Traci Anderson, 36, of Groton, Conn., who is married and said she has decided not to have children, agrees that the issue runs deeper than taste. Often, while trying to pass someone with a large stroller, she has seen the parent acknowledge her presence but make no attempt to move. And that, she said, begs the question of whether they believe people with children have a special claim to sidewalk space.


"My choices and what's important to me shouldn't be seen as any less important in the grand scheme of things," Ms. Anderson said.


More and more strollers, large and small, are rolling into the pedestrian world. Sales in the United States were $530 million last year and the market is only expected to keep growing, according to the Juvenile Products Manufacturers Association. (Sales of Bugaboo alone tripled from 2003 to 2004.)


Starting in the mid-1960's and for decades, most strollers were the lightweight umbrella sort, not including the Baby Jogger that arrived on the scene in the mid-1980's. The S.U.V.-stroller frenzy ignited a few years ago, after a Bugaboo Frog appeared on "Sex and the City." That model went on to achieve a status not unlike an Hermès Birkin bag. This month Bugaboo introduced two new stroller models - the Gecko ($679) and the Cameleon ($879) - designed to traverse bustling sidewalks, sandy beaches and rough, woodsy terrain.


There are advantages that go beyond maneuverability, status and smart looks. Ali Wing, the mother of a 2-year-old boy and the founder and chief executive of giggle, a baby retailer, said the wheels on big strollers last longer than those on smaller buggies, and many parents like the way some of them allow the baby to face the walker. Ms. Wing also said that umbrella strollers are not as cushiony and protective. And the younger a baby is, the more emphasis parents place on comfort and safety.


In July a $600-plus Mountain Buggy Urban Double Stroller helped shield a 7-month-old baby as a Manhattan building collapsed around her, setting off a flurry of posts in parenting chat rooms about the potential value of utility strollers.


Yet size is no guarantee of a stroller's safety, said E. Marla Felcher, an adjunct lecturer at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard and the author of "It's No Accident: How Corporations Sell Dangerous Baby Products." "There are no mandatory safety standards for strollers," she said. "There is no way for any parent to know if one stroller is safer than another."


"What they know," said Ms. Felcher, who described herself as childless by choice and who admitted that the new big strollers annoy her, too, "is, 'I'm a parent that can afford to spend $700 on this.' " Not having children "doesn't mean I hate kids," she said. "But I do hate the parents who somehow have decided that they are superior to everyone else because they have kids."


It might help, Ms. Felcher and others said, if parents and nonparents could talk about their feelings toward one another. "It's the last taboo in this culture," Ms. Felcher said. "You just can't talk about it."


Ms. Anderson agreed, "We're a bit afraid of expressing our opinions for fear of being labeled as people who hate children or who do not support women."


Stroller dramas play themselves out every day: on sidewalks, in supermarkets, in museums. At a Disney theme park, a member of an online forum wrote, "I got rammed so hard on the back of my heels in Adventureland, that they actually bled." The writer, who used the moniker Tigertail777, described the offending stroller as a "huge plastic molded S.U.V." Later the same day, according to that account, another stroller knocked Tigertail777 in the shins near the Haunted Mansion.


But on the same chat room - MiceChat.com - several parents said they try to be considerate of others in the theme parks. "I have bumped into folks that all of a sudden change directions or stop all of a sudden in front of me (for no apparent reason)," wrote one parent known as DznyVan, "but I always apologize (even if it was their fault)."


Todd Levin, a writer and comedian, said he saw an especially illustrative stroller encounter two years ago at Kennedy Airport. It happened after the mother accidentally bumped the nonmother with a stroller that Mr. Levin, 34, said looked like a "massive SUV."


"Could you please not bump me with your stroller," the woman said, according to a play-by-play account Mr. Levin wrote on his Web site, Tremble.com. "I have a cat in my bag."


"Excuse me," the mother replied. "If I knew you had a cat in your bag, I wouldn't have bumped you!" Then she turned to the other travelers nearby, widening her eyes in exasperation.


An argument ensued, but Mr. Levin concluded that it was less about the collision than about who had made the better life choice, the mother or the cat owner. "The Biological mom was much, much worse, in my opinion, if only for her very clear sense of superiority," Mr. Levin wrote. "With each swipe she took at the Feline Mom she seemed to be making a transparently veiled assertion that having babies is what makes us better people. Having babies means winning."


Mr. Levin is far from the only person writing about stroller wars on the Internet. "Clogging up the paths of shoppers everywhere, these plastic monstrosities often contain piles of shopping bags, purses, grocery bags, extra sandals, sunscreen, diapers and no baby whatsoever," wrote Nathan Alexander of Los Angeles on his Web site, Commercialsihate.com. "The Baby Bulldozer is a total nuisance. There's no way around it, over it, or through it, and the oncoming parent inevitably steers it directly toward your feet."


Mr. Alexander told his girlfriend, "If I have a baby, I'm carrying it in a backpack."


"My parents," said Mr. Rivas, who had the stroller standoff on the Washington Metro, "they would make us walk."


But what if the roles were reversed? What if Mr. Rivas was the parent with the stroller, making his way home during rush hour on a steamy summer evening? He chuckled, then conceded, "My opinion might change if I had kids."



-- Edited by Irene at 08:14, 2005-09-23

-- Edited by Irene at 08:15, 2005-09-23

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very interesting article.  I agree that a lot of it is the fissure between not having children and having them.  I remember that posting here on stylethread about the choice of having kids, and even that turned into a heated debate.  So its something people are really sensitive about.  i'm of the camp that both sides can be equally obnoxious, and its a matter of personal choice.  would i be upset if someone mowed me down in their suv sized stroller?  Absolutely.  Would i care if they were merely pushing it down the sidewalk with their babies, being courteous to people?  Absolutely not.  If someone thinks they are better than someone else because of their choices in life, that sucks, and it goes both ways.  I really think some people just want the justification from society that they made the right choice, and while it's still IMO more taboo to choose not to have children, i think some parents are getting more threatened by this new wave and the new choices that are being offerred to not have kids and are backlashing or trying to defend their choice.  Some people want kids, some don't, and i think thats much better than everyone having them, whether they want them or not.

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Honestly, it is just easier to move out of the way of a stroller as a person than it is for the mother or father to move with the stroller.  I have seen the same situation with people that have little strollers too.  I hate to say it, but these people that have a problem are just haters.


Be the bigger person and move.



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Honestly, it is just easier to move out of the way of a stroller as a person than it is for the mother or father to move with the stroller.  I have seen the same situation with people that have little strollers too.  I hate to say it, but these people that have a problem are just haters. Be the bigger person and move.

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I have not had this experience myself. Normally, I just get out of the way of anything in my way.


But I will tell you what bothers me about some parents. They will keep their children in a stroller till they are 20. I swear, I have seen some really big kids, maybe 7 or 8, being pushed around in a stroller. Give me a break! I may be wrong, but isn't that a little old to be getting pushed around in a stroller?



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Farrah wrote:


Honestly, it is just easier to move out of the way of a stroller as a person than it is for the mother or father to move with the stroller.  I have seen the same situation with people that have little strollers too.  I hate to say it, but these people that have a problem are just haters. Be the bigger person and move.

i agree when its someone just going down a sidewalk or getting onto a train, but i've seen people literally push people over with their strollers or push their strollers onto oncoming traffic to get the cars to stop.  Some people are just more obnoxious than others, and i think thats wrong.

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 I've been taken advantage of quite often when I'm pushing a stroller.  People walk fast ahead of me to cut me off, don't hold the elevator, etc.  I don't feel sorry for anyone who feels inconvenienced by strollers, no matter how big the strollers are.  Most moms I encounter are very polite and realize that they could possibly be in someone's way.  I'll go the widest route I can, but I'm not going to inconvenience myself too much so someone can walk down the middle of the sidewalk talking on their cell, sipping their coffee, oblivious to the world around them. 


Rude stroller pushers, though, would find some way to be rude even if they didn't have their strollers with them.  They're just rude people in general.



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Rude stroller pushers, though, would find some way to be rude even if they didn't have their strollers with them.  They're just rude people in general.


I completely agree, and this story could apply to anything beyond strollers - the aggressive SUV driver, the pushy person in line at the grocery store, groups of people who walk ten across on the sidewalk.


When I am out with my friends who have babies in strollers, you really realize how incredibly inconvenient it is and how many places are not ADA compliant.  Also, I think it's interesting they mention the bugaboo as a "hummer."  It is so streamlined and compact when compared to many that I have seen lumbering down the sidewalk.


Apparently, this is another area where Europeans totally laugh at us and our "supersize" ways.  They think it's bizarre that our strollers have cupholders.



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 I've been taken advantage of quite often when I'm pushing a stroller.  People walk fast ahead of me to cut me off, don't hold the elevator, etc.  I don't feel sorry for anyone who feels inconvenienced by strollers, no matter how big the strollers are.  Most moms I encounter are very polite and realize that they could possibly be in someone's way.  I'll go the widest route I can, but I'm not going to inconvenience myself too much so someone can walk down the middle of the sidewalk talking on their cell, sipping their coffee, oblivious to the world around them.  Rude stroller pushers, though, would find some way to be rude even if they didn't have their strollers with them.  They're just rude people in general.

I think this is key. especially about oblivious people - I encounter this ALL the time - with and without strollers.  Also agree with rude people being rude with or without strollers.

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jj wrote:


Cricket wrote:  Also, I think it's interesting they mention the bugaboo as a "hummer."  It is so streamlined and compact when compared to many that I have seen lumbering down the sidewalk. Apparently, this is another area where Europeans totally laugh at us and our "supersize" ways.  They think it's bizarre that our strollers have cupholders.


Actually the Bugaboo is a European designed stroller.



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Actually the Bugaboo is a European designed stroller.

Must be why I like it!   That's why I thought it was weird that the article described it as a hummer - I totally disagree and think it is incredibly efficient.  Also, you will notice it does not have a cupholder.

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my mom and i have laughed/complained about this for years--she calls those giant strollers "battering rams" because of how women at crowded sales (like the nordstrom anniversary sale) seem to bring the stroller specifically so that they can strategically mow down anything in their path and block off sections of a department while it's really crowded.  there are also the "double wides"--made for pushing two tots at once.  those seem to be much worse than the bugaboos, to me. 


i haven't really noticed it on the sidewalk, though. 



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Since I am obviously not "with it" on the latest stroller craze, I really can't comment on the huge strollers. Although I am personally stunned that someone would pay upwards of $700 for one, but whatever.

What i did notice when my sister had babies & we went shopping with them was how great it was to have extra room for all our shopping bags - we wondered why we didn't roll one around while shopping for years before the babies & just occassionally make comments like "mom has the baby over in the shoe dept" to people curious as to where the kid was! LOL




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I don't think it just people w/ strollers, I think most people in general are more oblivious today...nobody seems to think or care about being in anyone's way.  I can't tell you how many times I've been at the mall and had people with or without carriages:


get off the escalator right in front of me and just stop to discuss where they are going or what they are doing.


just stop in the doorway of store to check bags or find keys etc.


or


at the lake I run at in the evenings:


I'' have 2 or 3 people walking towards me astride who won't budge an inch forcing me out on to the street to pass by.


I don't know know what the deal is but this behavior just drives me crazy.


 


 


 


 


 



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sweater girl wrote:


I don't think it just people w/ strollers, I think most people in general are more oblivious today...nobody seems to think or care about being in anyone's way.  I can't tell you how many times I've been at the mall and had people with or without carriages: get off the escalator right in front of me and just stop to discuss where they are going or what they are doing. just stop in the doorway of store to check bags or find keys etc. or at the lake I run at in the evenings: I'' have 2 or 3 people walking towards me astride who won't budge an inch forcing me out on to the street to pass by. I don't know know what the deal is but this behavior just drives me crazy.          

oh yes, i hate when i'm running and i have to run some weird way to get around someone hogging the sidewalk.  i'm always scared i'm going to trip on a root or something, while they can very, very easily step aside.

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Honestly I have never noted the size of a particular stroller or had any issue with strollers in a store or on a sidewalk.  Maybe people are just jealous of the more expensive ones.  It's certainly nobody's business, either, if you want to drop $800 on a bugaboo if you can afford it.  Precious cargo and all - and it's not like it burns gas, so the SUV comparison is ludicrous. 


My best friend has twins and she has to have a double stroller (mountain buggy if you must know... she's a bit embarrassed by the price, actually, and tells people it was a gift).  People really don't seem to care abt. the size - it bugs her more than it seems to bug other people, since it's hard to enter the doors of small shops and so on (in those cases, she and her husband put the babies in baby bjorns), but what else can you do with two babies?  Stack them?  (I do not understand how people even think they can complain about double strollers - it's a practical issue).  They actually bought the mtn buggy because it tapers at the front so they can get through more doorways than a normal double stroller, and the rugged wheels will allow them to go "off-road" (they are outdoorsy).  And she's young and hip, so the orange colored canvas appealed to her.  She does not give a shit what others think, so it would be really dumb for someone to assume that she's trying to make a status statement with her stroller. 


Anyway, I am not having babies, and people who like to act like martyrs/saints all the time b/c they have babies (cough..my sister.. cough) drive me nuts, but I am also not opposed to babies getting around in comfort and safety.  It would never occur to me to question a mother's choice in strollers.  And why shouldn't a mother choose a stroller than looks cool and has all-terrain wheels?  She's the one having to push the thing around all the time - I'd want it to be as cool-looking and as solid as possible.   I seriously doubt if feeling superior figures in to most people's stroller-buying choice.  If I can afford a good, solid stroller, I am buying it (if I were a parent).  Why buy something cheap and ugly and possibly less safe just to please people who jump to conclusions about you based on your choice of stroller?  I think people are reading waaaaaay too much into this and seriously doubt that any sane parent is using their stroller to prove any kind of point.


I agree with Irene, though, about kids who can walk quite well getting pushed around in strolelrs.  I see kids who are WAY too big in strollers all the time.  Get up and walk, little lazies! No wonder kids grow up overweight.


I am far more bothered by adults walking 3 abreast and not even bothering to step aside when I am trying to pass.  I often have to step into the street to get around self-absorbed people like this.    My other fave is the one person who weaves when they walk, talknig on their cell, or the person who walks squarely in the middle of a narrow sidewalk but won't make room on either side for people to pass. 



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but what else can you do with two babies?  Stack them? 


 


HA!  funny.  yeah my point is only with how some people (not all) behave with the strollers (like laken was talking about--using them as an oversized shopping cart without even having kids in them or as a blockade in a crowded situation) than with the type of strollers they are.  in fact, if i had a baby, you'd better believe i'd be getting myself a bugaboo no matter what (even if i had to go into debt)--those things are awesome and so cool looking. 



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is it wrong that i don't think $800 is ridiculous for a stroller?  especially when i have spent that much to tote around my ipod, keys, and cell phone?  i hope that i'm not judged if i'm using a $800 stroller.  and i really hope that i'm not judged if i have to buy a multiple seater (given my enormous liklihood of having twins).  i agree with the others, the people who complain, would find something else to complain about if it wasn't the strollers it would be something else. 



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I agree with DC, shopgirl82, and others who have no problem with an $800 stroller.  Have some of us not spent nearly that on shoes?  Bags?  At least you be positive you'd get your use out of it!  Let's say you'd use your stroller 4 times per week for 3 years .... not bad ... comes out to just $1.28 per use.



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i was thinking the same thing, shopgirl!  $800 doesn't seem like so much.  lol--how quickly we become accustomed to it! 


one of my friends had the bugaboo in her office and i was looking at it--it's extremely well-designed and you can use it as a stroller facing either direction, or you can take the seat part off and carry it with a handle as just a baby-seat.  they are really cool and imho, totally worth $800 (esp. b/c they are rugged enough looking that husbands like pushing them--important feature!)



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