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So add one more thing to my list of Things To Fear When Flying....


The part about the guy texting his cousin breaks my heart. 


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Cyprus Plane Crash Victims 'Frozen Solid'


Reuters
Monday, August 15, 2005; 8:57 AM


ATHENS, Aug 15 -- Most of the bodies recovered from a Cypriot plane that crashed near Athens with 121 people on board were frozen solid, a Greek official said, suggesting the airliner was a flying tomb before it plunged to earth.


As accident investigators combed the crash site for clues, aviation experts were baffled at what appeared to have been a catastrophic failure of cabin pressure or oxygen supply in freezing temperatures at 35,000 feet -- nearly 10 km (6 miles) up, higher than Mount Everest.


One expert said reports of extreme cold suggested there was no air circulating in the cabin.


"Autopsy on passengers so far shows the bodies were frozen solid, including some whose skin was charred by flames from the crash," the Defence Ministry source, with access to the investigation, told Reuters on Monday.


Early indications suggest the 115 passengers and six crew were dead or unconscious when the Helios Airways Boeing 737 crashed 40 km (25 miles) north of Athens on Sunday. There were no survivors.


Rescue workers recovered the pilot's body, a German identified as Martin Hans Gurgen, and said they had found the plane's black box flight recorders, including the one that records pilot conversations, and are being sent to France for analysis.


The recovery of the black boxes is crucial to determining the cause of the worst air disaster in Greece and the worst involving a Cypriot airline.


Greek TV reported on Sunday that the pilot had told air traffic controllers the plane was experiencing problems with its air conditioning system shortly before contact was lost.


A passenger list released by Cyprus' Transport Ministry showed a family of four Armenians living in Cyprus, 12 Greeks and 104 Cypriots were killed in the crash. There were 17 children under the age of 16 on board, the youngest aged 4.


Relatives of some victims were on their way from Cyprus to the crash site to start the grim task of trying to identify loved ones.


At Larnaca airport in Cyprus, from where the doomed plane took off, crew and passengers on Monday refused to board an aircraft belonging to Helios Airways, the state-run Cyprus News Agency reported.


About 100 passengers due to fly from Larnaca to Sofia demanded to travel on planes of other airlines. "First the crew refused to board, then the passengers," it said.


Helios Airways later announced it had grounded its fleet, a Cyprus Transport Ministry spokesman said.


The Mediterranean island of Cyprus started three days of mourning with flags at half mast in a long weekend holiday that is the busiest of the summer for Greeks and Cypriots.


TERRORISM RULED OUT


The plane was on a flight from Larnaca to Prague with a stop in Athens. Greek authorities ruled out any hijacking or terrorism links to the crash.


The flight was declared "renegade" when it entered Greek air space and failed to make radio contact. Two F-16 air force jets were scrambled to investigate and reported that the co-pilot was slumped in the cockpit and the pilot was not visible.


Defence Ministry officials said 90 minutes elapsed between the alert being raised and the plane crashing at 12:03 p.m.


Greek government spokesman Theodore Roussopoulos said the F-16 pilots reported that with the pilots out of action there may have been a last-gasp effort by others on the plane to bring it back under control.


"The F-16s saw two individuals in the cockpit seemingly trying to regain control of the airplane," Roussoupoulos said. It was not known if they were passengers or other crew.


"The F-16s also saw oxygen masks down when they got close to the aircraft. The aircraft was making continuous right-hand turns to show it had lost radio contact."


"A passenger on the doomed plane said in an SMS text to his cousin in Athens: "The pilot has turned blue. Cousin farewell, we're freezing."


Kieran Daly, editor of Air Transport Intelligence, told Reuters: "When he talks about being extremely cold, that really suggests that there was possibly no air circulating in the cabin at all."


Other questions included how the plane appeared to fly for so long with the pilots unconscious or dead. Media speculated it was on auto pilot and crashed when it ran out of fuel after being in the air for twice the scheduled flight time.


The Defence Ministry said it suspected the plane's oxygen supply or pressurisation system may have malfunctioned, which could have led to death within seconds for all on board.


Loss of cabin pressure was identified as the probable cause of other similar but smaller-scale air crashes in recent years.


Golfer Payne Stewart and five others were killed when their Learjet aircraft crashed in the United States in 1999 after flying for more than four hours without radio contact.


(Additional reporting by George Georgiopoulos in Athens and Jean Christou in Nicosia)


© 2005 The Washington Post Company




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OMG!

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This is so awful.  Ugh!  My dad is a retired airline pilot and had some interesting things to say about this, mainly that there were plenty of warning signs that were ignored, which doesn't bode well for this airline.

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That is horrible!! 

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I just read on CNN that Greek police raided the airline's headquarters looking for the maintenance records on the aircraft.  Requests for all sorts of documents had been ignored, so they had to forcefully get them.   Sounds like the airline is pretty shady.

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Reading this made me feel kinda sick to my stomach.......trying to think about other things now to distract myself.....so horrible.

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This is really sad.  I hope they can pinpoint exactly what went wrong w/ the air system.  Not that there is anything good to come out of this, but at least the passengers lost consciousness quickly.

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That is really sad .



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I just heard on the news that that IDIOT lied about the text. What a jerk to do that to the family and friends..........

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Tati wrote:


I just heard on the news that that IDIOT lied about the text. What a jerk to do that to the family and friends..........

Wait. What?  Why would he do that? What a moron! Was his cousin even on the plane?

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NylaBelle wrote:


Tati wrote: I just heard on the news that that IDIOT lied about the text. What a jerk to do that to the family and friends.......... Wait. What?  Why would he do that? What a moron! Was his cousin even on the plane?

 I dont know if his cousin was on the plane or not, but they have him in custody for lying. IDIOT!

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Yup, here's the text from MSN about the liar:

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A man who claimed to have received a telephone text message from a passenger on the plane faced a preliminary hearing Tuesday for disseminating false information and causing a public disturbance.

Police on Monday arrested Nektarios-Sotirios Voutas, 32, who had called Greek television stations shortly after the crash. He claimed a cousin on board had sent him a cell-phone text message saying: “Farewell, cousin, here we’re frozen.”

The report that the plane was cold was taken as a sign of decompression — one of the possible explanations authorities have given for the crash. But police said they determined the suspect’s story was false.

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I have a hard time believing the bodies were frozen solid, as the article says.  Wouldn't it take like HOURS for a body to freeze?  I mean, it takes awhile for my freezer to turn water into ice, so I can't imagine that a body would be frozen solid in the 90 minutes that passed between the time the aircraft signaled there was a problem and when it crashed. 


This whole story is really weird and creepy.  Sounds like the airline was pretty shady about the whole thing too.  Ugh.



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NCshopper wrote:


I have a hard time believing the bodies were frozen solid, as the article says.  Wouldn't it take like HOURS for a body to freeze?  I mean, it takes awhile for my freezer to turn water into ice, so I can't imagine that a body would be frozen solid in the 90 minutes that passed between the time the aircraft signaled there was a problem and when it crashed. 


 


I think it is possible.  You can't compare it to what happens in your fridge, it is apples and oranges.  At 30,000 ft the temperature can be as low as -50 F, and your freezer is probably around 0-5 degrees F.  Plus the human body freezes at a different temperature than water.


Either way, you are right - it is a somewhat creepy and horrible tragedy.



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NCshopper wrote: I have a hard time believing the bodies were frozen solid, as the article says.  Wouldn't it take like HOURS for a body to freeze?  I mean, it takes awhile for my freezer to turn water into ice, so I can't imagine that a body would be frozen solid in the 90 minutes that passed between the time the aircraft signaled there was a problem and when it crashed.    I think it is possible.  You can't compare it to what happens in your fridge, it is apples and oranges.  At 30,000 ft the temperature can be as low as -50 F, and your freezer is probably around 0-5 degrees F.  Plus the human body freezes at a different temperature than water. Either way, you are right - it is a somewhat creepy and horrible tragedy.

Yeah, I think it's possible too, if the temperature drops low enough.

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