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Marc Jacobs

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So right now I am deep in the trenches, finishing up my senior thesis for my interior design BFA. Part of what we're required to do for the final presentation is show perspective drawings illustrating how the finished spaces will look. Everyone competes to outdo each other on these drawings, because when they're well done they can look spectacular, and give an amazingly clear sense of the project's design--they show all the architectural elements, the finishes, the lighting, the furniture, everything. So it turns out that one of my classmates hired a professional computer renderer to help her with her drawings, which has caused quite an uproar among my classmates. She is insisting that she built the 3-d computer model herself and then turned it over to the guy she hired to add the finishes and materials and lights--she's trying to downplay the contribution that this professional made to her drawings, but she also stated that she paid him for six days' worth of work on the project, which is clearly a sgnificant amount of work. Now, we are being graded on these drawings, along with everything else--not just the design behind the drawings, but the drawings themselves, as preparing them is one of the skills we are expected to master, and with every presentation we are expected to demonstrate our proficiency at it. So, my feeling about this is that her actions are unethical and in contradiction of the traditional academic code of conduct. But I am actually much more concerned by the fact that her professor, who's known all along that she was doing this, sees no problem with it as long as she isn't pretending that the work is her own. If the rest of us had known all along that we could get away with buying professionally rendered drawings of our designs, nobody would be doing that work themselves--it's incredibly labor-intensive, so why break your back if you can get someone more skilled to do it for you? But we have, apparently naively, been assuming that such an action would be considered improper and unethical by our teachers and our department.

What do you all think? Should students be allowed to buy professional work to incorporate into their projects, as long as they come clean about it? Or should all the effort that goes into a project be the student's and the student's alone?

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Kate Spade

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that is completely ridiculous. i don't think students should ever get professional help with projects even if they admit it! the whole point is that it is your work that you have learned how to do! if i did that for my dissertation, i would probably be kicked off my course. i would be tempted to let someone higher than your professor know about it personally because i hate cheating and its completely unfair to the people who have done the work themselves. Grr it makes me angry just thinking about it.

ps. i hope yours is going well smile

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I don't like that either. I feel like in a school project, you should all have equal resources. Allowing a student to pay for the work makes it an unfair playing field - the students w/ more cash end up w/ the better project.

Yay, I know life's not fair, and someone always has the financial advantage and resources in the working world. It just seems to me that in school, all the students should have equal opportunity.

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Marc Jacobs

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That's complete BS. Clear and simple. A thesis show's what you have learned and accomplished- not what somebody else has learned. It would really upset me as well that the professor doesn't seem to mind that she isn't doing her own work. Is the general consensus in class that what she is doing unethical? If so, I really think that a group of you and your peers should go to the department head. Does your school have a code of conduct? I would read that pretty thoroughly to see what it says. If it was me, I would actually go to the department head right away. It's cheating, plain and simple. Getting help on an exam is cheating and this is basically, an exam of your entire education.

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relrel, most people who know about it seem to be upset about it, so we are definitely going to go to our dept. chair with a very professional, objective letter stating our objections on ethical grounds. It's too late to prevent her from going forward, nor would it even really be fair since her professor hasn't objected, but we want to register our displeasure that he saw nothing wrong with the situation, and ask that the department take a stance against this sort of thing in the future. I'm just so baffled by his attitude that I wanted to see if anyone else agreed with his point of view!

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Kate Spade

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It's wrong, and I don't understand how anyone could see otherwise. If you paid someone to do, for example, your Chemstry lab report, it would be cheating. If someone was paid to do your English term paper, that's cheating. How could paying someone to do something on such a grander scale be any different? I know that in my school, you can get absolutely no outside help with your senior thesis... except opinions and troubleshooting, of course. I'm shocked that a teacher would find no problem with this.

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sephorablue wrote:

relrel, most people who know about it seem to be upset about it, so we are definitely going to go to our dept. chair with a very professional, objective letter stating our objections on ethical grounds. It's too late to prevent her from going forward, nor would it even really be fair since her professor hasn't objected, but we want to register our displeasure that he saw nothing wrong with the situation, and ask that the department take a stance against this sort of thing in the future. I'm just so baffled by his attitude that I wanted to see if anyone else agreed with his point of view!



Sounds good. Going to the dept. chair, I think, is more about letting the head know that the professor is letting this happen. It really isn't about getting the student in trouble or getting kicked out- IMO, it's really about registering your objection that the professor is letting this happen. I hope everything turns out well with your thesis! I'm a month and a half from finishing mine as well.



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is this something that people normally would contract out?  I don't think its fair for a school project, but maybe if your professor has been in the profession for so long that it didn't occur to them that everyone was assuming that they were to complete all the work on their own.  Maybe he/she thought work would be done the way it would be done in real life.
I feel that way when i watch project runway- i wish they'd allow some help for sample sewing- at least with their final show.  It would look SO much better, as long as everyone had the same amt. of  $$, and would be a lot closer to reality. 

I'm not siding w/your professor, just trying to offer up the other perspective. 

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I definitely find that unethical. If you were required to write a paper and paid someone to do it for you, that would certainly be plagiarism and I don't see how this instance is any different. I think you guys definitely should register a complaint. At this point, it's not even about the fact that the student did this, it's that the professor allowed it that's the bigger problem. I would be really surprised if the department head would think this was okay. Keep us updated--I'm interested to see how this turns out.

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I think thats bull! No different than doing the research but paying somone else to pull it together and actually write a paper for you.

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Isn't that the same thing as paying someone to do research for a research paper? If that is part of the skill that students are required to learn, then it should be their own work on the assessment.

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it's obvious that what she did was wrong. a student's senior thesis should be done by the student alone with no outside professional assistance. it's cheating and her professor should know that. you and your classmates are doing the right thing by taking the matter to the department chair.

good luck on YOUR project, SB!

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I don't blame you and your classmates for being so upset. That is insane that your professor isn't seeing the problem with this situation. Of course the professional she hired can do his job, since he graduated and is working in the field, but his work should not be any reflection on how well she can do on her work! I agree that you should go to the department head. I am going to school for interior design also and I couldn't imagine any of my classmates doing such a thing. In the long run she is really screwing herself over because she will not be able to hire this guy to do her work once she gets a real job! I think I would be as upset about having an unethical teacher as I was about having an unethical classmate! Good luck on your class and let us know how it turns out!

-- Edited by joy0302 at 23:38, 2007-04-26

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Chanel

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I have a problem with it!  First of all, I hardly doubt she put more than an hours effort into the artwork.  Paying somebody for SIX DAYS of work in an incredible amount of money which I'm sure most students don't have access to that kind of cash.



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